Talk:Guardian

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DEAR LORD, this thing is fanfiction-y. It doesn't even try to hide it. I'm deleting at least the made-up excerpt from the made-up book.

In fact, I'm going to add a protest to the whole way the ship things have been written. This is an encyclopedia, not a collaborative strategy guide -- right now instead of trying to give objective information on the stats for each ship they're riddled with personal opinions about how well ships work, which encourages a very slangy, subjective style. I vote that we start overhauling the ship guides to actually focus on information and move the little piloting tips and ship-to-ship comparisons and discussions of how cool ships are to separate sections, if we have to keep them, or better yet tell people to take that sort of thing to the forums.


My Post by SamYeager

Lord forbid anyone tries and puts heart into their work. The background of the creative portions of the pages are to make it more readable. And that means putting a little creativity in what's being written. If what you're looking for is an outline, then add a damned outline in there. After all, it is Wikipedia here and we're all authors. But the simple fact of displaying information in any form refutes the pure objectivity behind the fact. This is because you must decide on what information should be included and how it should be laid out.

Now I noticed, Mr. 130.58.225.137 (if that's your real IP), that you didn't bitch about the way the page was categorized. The simple truth is that I (me, Fadookie, me) built the framework for the categorization. Nic was kind enough to integrate it into the majority of the other ships' pages and improve upon it. But the original framework was set up to A) completely encompass all ship in-game attributes, such as physical image, weaponry, nagivation, and other unique and relative traits and B) to provide a more realistic encyclopedia entry as if an actual person in the Star Control Universe had written the entry.

130.58.225.137, if you've read as many encyclopedia as others have, you'd realize that things aren't necessarily as cut and dry as one might expect, especially in the more subject-specialized encyclopedia. They are loaded with personal mannerisms and high-falutin praise and completely utter disdain because, as it turns out, people are people. Excerpts from other texts can be found. Footnotes from the authors abound the lower edge of the pages like hand-made animations if the leaves were to be quickly thumbed.

Cut-and-dry is the manner in which FAQ's are written solely for the completion of the video game. We could write that a Skiff is 7/8 in terms of speed. And we could say that the Syreen are "A female species locked up under a slave shield at the beginning of Star Control II. The End." And we could say the Mmrnmhrm are simply robots without even mentioning the Chmmr, the Alliance of Free Stars, or the Mother Ark (someone please put a listing for Mother Ark; it's also on the Mmrnmhrm page). But we have more to say than that, and the pages reflect the information there is to tell, and some of it's guessed or unknown or even false (see Glilandy).

You strip the Star Control Universe of its livelihood and its intrigue by tearing down its foundation on creativity and imagination.

It's the few like you who have led me to abadon any effort on this site. You want your house without nails. You want your Cap'n Crunch without milk. You want everything without delicate metaphysical adhesive that cleaves it all together.

Damn your ilk, for changing handjobs to kisses, and deleting well thought-out imagery in the form of fictional non-fiction, and "Smack!"ing adversaries though yourself being unarmed of English. The thought of doing well is there, but the ability to perform is unhoned. Kids do not get to play with Roto-Tillers even if they do want to help because they don't know what they're doing.

An encyclopedia can be written by multiple authors, and can be lauded by one another individually for their own individual contribution. I'll even admit this thing has shaped up despite its utmost subconcious intentions.

But it's not perfect. Acceptance is what is lacked. I accept your criticism, 130.58.225.137. I accept your opinion. I accept your editing. Perhaps it was indeed for the best. But I do not accept your intolerance.

Of course, the truth is both one's heart and one's work will always get torn to shreds, and I accept this too.

long live the androsynth, long live the guardian....

I agree with you on most points, Sam, but this is an encyclopedia. I think we should neither be a dry fact sheet nor a tome filled to the brim with fan fiction and gushing with praise. We need to work to find a balance between the two. -Fadookie 09:26, 10 Jun 2005 (CEST)


There is enough good stuff in the Star Control universe to make these articles an interesting read, without resorting to fan fiction. -- SvdB 17:20, 10 Jun 2005 (CEST)

Primary and Secondary: Fanfic?[edit]

Is it canon all that is said about the ship's Primary and that the inability to revert to normal at will from the Blazer form is a in-game-universe bug? Valaggar 11:22, 6 April 2007 (CEST)

No, it is fan fiction. And it isn't the only thing; it looks like the page is filled with fan fiction. — SvdB 16:57, 6 April 2007 (CEST)