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I have tried to put in only the dates that are historically important, not those that made the historical event possible. So no "Technique of cloning perfected", but only "First Androsynth created".

If the list grows large it may be useful to give the dates of specific types of events a different colour. Like all events directly relating to humanity. - Svdb 06:19, 3 Sep 2004 (CEST)


Plans to attack Earth?[edit]

I must have missed something - I didn't notice in anything specific I've read that the Ur-Quan made plans to attack Earth, or at least Earth in particular. I was under the impression that they more or less just swept into the quadrant and subjugated every race they encountered.

From the SC2 manual:
"As early as 1940, the Ur-Quan began to formulate` sinister schemes to attack Earth. Other aliens, meanwhile, benign species that wished only peace, lay plans to warn Earthlings of the Ur-Quan threat."
The Ur-Quan enslave every race they encounter, but they don't always have an easy time doing so. They do need to use some strategy.
— SvdB 15:18, 19 Sep 2005 (CEST)

Category placement[edit]

Is Category:Game mechanics really the right category for this? In my mind I don't see this as either hints or description of the internal workings of the game like the other entries in this category. Perhaps a better and more useful category would be "Historical Background" or "History" or something similar, where we could include entries of important historical events and the category "background characters." Thoughts? --Fyzixfighter 21:56, 11 Nov 2005 (CET)

I was struggling with how to categorise this one, but I didn't really want to create a new category about the history when I already made historical articles part of their racial categories. I suppose we could make a new History category and go cat-sorting other historical articles, but I'm not really sure that's such a good idea. I stuck it in Game mechanics because it explains the background of the game's timeline, but this is a Wiki, so everything's subject to change. --Phoenix (t) 23:56, 11 Nov 2005 (CET)
Nothing wrong with articles being in more than one category. Of course we don't want the categories to get out of hand, but I think some kind of general backstory category would be useful. Let's just wait and see how everything else works out (maybe it'll grow on me). On one hand, I think that we would be trying to maximize the number of categorized articles (i.e. all of them) with the minimum number of categories. On the other hand, the categories are tools to organize and link different articles. I'm impressed by the work you've done already to categorize the articles. We can always redefine the category criteria (or even edit the articles) later on to include these hard to categorize articles. I'd say if there's any that we can't readily categorize, leave them until end or at least make note of them somehow when including them in a category (like here on the talk page). --Fyzixfighter 00:50, 12 Nov 2005 (CET)
Thanks, and you've done an incredible job as well. Yeah, if we include a couple of articles outside of what we previously defined in the category text, we can simply expand the category definition. Game mechanics could be expanded to include background details like the timeline... --Phoenix (t) 19:10, 14 Nov 2005 (CET)
I created Category:Historical events, which is probably the best place for this article. --Phoenix (t) 21:51, 14 Nov 2005 (CET)

Adding graphical timelines[edit]

What do people think about adding some graphical timelines to this page? I've been using the EasyTimeline software to put some together, and I'll probably upload them in a day or two, along with the script so others can edit them. But if y'all don't like the idea, maybe not... --Fyzixfighter 17:48, 30 June 2006 (CEST)

I don't like the idea of content that can't easilly be edited by anyone. But I can install the EasyTimeline plugin to MediaWiki to avoid that. — 2001:610:1108:5214::2 18:37, 30 June 2006 (CEST)
Fair enough, and I certainly can agree with that reasoning. I hope it's not too much trouble to install it. If you could let me know when and if you do set it up, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks! --Fyzixfighter 08:19, 3 July 2006 (CEST)
I've installed the plug-in. — SvdB 12:45, 6 July 2006 (CEST)

Thanks SvdB. I think it might need a bit more tweaking - I just tried to add a timeline in and it shows up as an error on the page. --Fyzixfighter 20:47, 6 July 2006 (CEST)

I saw your original edit in the RSS feed and had already fixed the problem. At least, it worked in the page I was watching, which was the 'diff' page. The reason it didn't work for the article itself was because that page was cached. Adding '&action=purge' to the URL took care of that. — SvdB 21:51, 6 July 2006 (CEST)

Ah, I see. The graph is showing up but (sorry, one more thing) does the text in the timeline show up for you? It's not for me (maybe it's a personal setting or something else on my side). Is it some kind of font issue perhaps? --Fyzixfighter 22:12, 6 July 2006 (CEST)
It seems some font is missing on the server. I've asked the sysadmins to install it system-wide. To be continued. — SvdB 02:19, 7 July 2006 (CEST)
It works now. If the text doesn't show up now, force an image reload. — SvdB 13:03, 8 July 2006 (CEST)

17500[edit]

Where does the "c. 17,500 BCE" come from? — SvdB 17:12, 19 April 2007 (CEST)

See this Melnorme quote:
"After almost twenty-five hundred years of unrelenting Dnyarri control

there were only four living member races of the once-great Sentient Milieu. By this point, the Dnyarri had used genetic manipulation to split the Ur-Quan into two sub-species the Green Ur-Quan -- scientists, technicians, and administrators who were responsible for maintaining the limited infrastructure of the Dnyarri civilization and the Black Ur-Quan, who filled the ranks of basic laborer and combat soldier. Then, a chance discovery by an Ur-Quan named Kzer-Za led to the violent overthrow of the Dnyarri Slave Empire." Valaggar 17:29, 19 April 2007 (CEST)

References[edit]

I'm adding some of the references here to show where the facts come from. Feel free to add your own. Perhaps there could be some article where this would be appropriate. — SvdB 15:41, 24 September 2008 (CEST)

I would advocate a "Notes and references" subsection, but then that section would soon be larger than the actual article. Instead, perhaps a subpage like Timeline/References and have a link to it from this main page. I believe I've seen something similar on WP pages. Thoughts on that kind of solution? In the meantime, I'll try and round up the references that I used for the timeline. --Fyzixfighter 18:28, 24 September 2008 (CEST)
I was thinking the same thing about a "Notes and references subsection". I like the subpage solution though. — SvdB 18:11, 26 September 2008 (CEST)
2098, Ur-Quan hunting cry 
"so let's back up a few years to 2098 when the Chenjesu's super-sensitive receivers detected a strange signal from the Ophiuchi constellation. Though even the Chenjesu didn't know it, it was the first sign of the Ur-Quan's arrival. The Ur-Quan, having detected the presence of many sentient species, were beaming out an exulting hunting cry." (game dialog, starbase.txt)
c. 2098, Kzer-Za defeat Thraddash as first species in this area of space 
"When the Ur-Quan entered the local region of space, the first race they conquered was the Thraddash" (sc2resource.txt) (must be before the defeat of the Umgah, and after the hunting cry, so 2098)
c. 2098, Kzer-Za defeat Umgah 
"In 2098 their ultra-sensitive HyperWave receivers began recording strange broadcasts, unshielded and strong, from the direction of the Cygnus star cluster. Soon after, the Chenjesu listened as the Ur-Quan brutally conquered the first race they encountered, the Umgah." ("they" must refer to the Chenjesu, to match other sources) (sc2manual.txt)
2111, Kzer-Za defeat Spathi 
"By 2111 the Spathi had also been subjugated and the Ilwrath, one of the Chenjesu's closest neighbors, was near defeat."
c. 2112, Kzer-Za defeat Spathi 
"By 2111 the Spathi had also been subjugated and the Ilwrath, one of the Chenjesu's closest neighbors, was near defeat."
2112, First contact with Chenjesu 
"Earth got involved late in the game, in 2112, when the Chenjesu arrived in our solar system for the first time" (game dialog, starbase.txt)
2115, Humanity induced in the alliance which became the Alliance of Free Stars 
"The Chenjesu's long-standing mutual defense agreement with the Mmrnmhrm became the basis for the Alliance of Free Stars. Soon the Yehat and their foster-species, the uplifted Shofixti, entered the Alliance. Following Humanity's induction in 2115, the Ariloulaleelay and the Syreen (unofficially) followed suit, bringing the Alliance to its final configuration, seven alien races united against a common foe." (sc2manual.txt)
2116, official founding of the Alliance of Free Stars 
"On August 1, 2116, Earth joined the Chenjesu and their other allies - the Mmrnmhrm, the Yehat, the Shofixti, and unofficially, the Syreen - to form The Alliance of Free Stars."