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2016-10-19T10:43:14Z

Pendrokar: /* Mods for other games */ Galactic Civilizations III Steam Workshop Star Control 2 race collection

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==Official [[The Ur-Quan Masters]] web pages==
===Relating to the actual game===
*[http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ The Ur-Quan Masters home]
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/ The Ur-Quan Masters forum]
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/bugs/index.cgi The Bugzilla bug database for The Ur-Quan Masters]
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/files/snapshots/ Subversion snapshots of The Ur-Quan Masters] (including Windows binaries)
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/sc2/ The SourceForge project page]
*[http://sc2.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sc2/trunk/ The subversion web interface to the sources of The Ur-Quan Masters]

===Relating to the [[Precursors Remixing Team|remixing project]]===
*[http://www.spacesynth.net/precursors/ Precursors home]

==[[Star Control]] related web pages==
===Game information===
*[http://www.star-control.com/ The Pages of Now & Forever] - The center of the Star Control community on the net
*[[Wikipedia:Star Control|Star Control entry at Wikipedia]]
*[http://www.mobygames.com/game_group/sheet/gameGroupId,41/ Star Control series at MobyGames]
*[http://dmoz.org/Games/Video_Games/Action/Space_Combat/Star_Control_Series/ Star Control series at Open Directory]
*[http://sa-matra.net/quotes Page listing the Star Control 2 dialogue (DOS version)].

====Game Documentation====
*The original [http://www.abandonia.com/files/extras/Star%20Control%202_Manual.zip Star Control 2 manual], from Abandonia
*The original [http://www.abandonia.com/files/extras/Starmap.jpg the Deluxe Star Control 2 starmap], from Abandonia

===[[Toys For Bob]] information===
*[http://www.toysforbob.com/ The Toys For Bob home page]

===Fan-made projects ===
Mods, games and aids based on the SC2 universe / code.

====Modified The Ur-Quan Masters code====

*[http://eli.cedarswampstudios.org/1.4.1-src.tar.gz Elvish Pillager's Crazy Mod (1.4.1)] — see [http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=3465.0 this thread] and its [[Elvish Pillager's Crazy Mod|Ultronomicon article]]
*[http://eli.cedarswampstudios.org/balance-mod-1.0.2-src.tar.gz Elvish Pillager's Balance Mod for Netplay]
*[http://uqm-mods.sourceforge.net/ Kohr-Ah Death's UQM for cheaters mods]

====Accessibility mods for The Ur-Quan Masters====
*Nic's [http://www.submedia.net/uqm/old/accessibility.zip mining graphics for the color-blind]
*Valaggar's [http://ceruopran.googlepages.com/VLdruuge.zip mint green Druuge projectiles]

====Translations====
See the [[translations]] page.

====Alternative content for the Ur-Quan Masters====
See also the [[Star Control Music]] page.

*Lance_Vader's and Valaggar's Utwig voicepack ([http://www.mediafire.com/?95xig0tx9eb without effects], [http://www.mediafire.com/?aznxsyiz9ic with effects])
*Nic's [http://www.submedia.net/uqm/old/yellow-fried.uqm Yellow Kohr-Ah FRIED] (DOS SC2 original)
*[http://www.submedia.net/uqm/old/mycon-speech.uqm Modified Mycon Dialogue] (Replaces an unimportant piece of Mycon dialogue with the DOS SC2 original dialogue that provides the location of the Mycon homeworld)
*[http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=4724.0 Missing Mycon dialogue add-on] (Similar to the above except that it adds both missing text and speech for the location of the Mycon homeworld)

====Mods for other games====
*[https://github.com/StarControlGalCiv/GalCiv2StarControl Galactic Civilizations II mod based on Star Control 2]
*[https://github.com/StarControlGalCiv/GalCiv3StarControl Galactic Civilizations III mod based on Star Control 2]
*[http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=624186211 Galactic Civilizations III Steam Workshop Star Control 2 race collection]

====Non-computer games====
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=3479.0 Star Control Boardgame]

====Aids====
*If you've found the [[Portal Spawner]], The [http://bit.ly/IsFMse UQM Least-Fuel Route Finder] helps you calculate whether to use it for a given trip (and, if so, how).

===Fan pages===
If you've got a Star Control related web site you want others to know of, place it here!
*[http://starcontroller.com/ Star Controller] — Star Control blog, frequently updated
*[http://juicy.net63.net/ *juicy] The Ur-Quan Master fan site

===Similar games===
*[http://timewarp.sourceforge.net/ Star Control TimeWarp] - A Super-Melee clone with network play, multiple ships in the arena at once and multiple new ship designs
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/aftermath-wars/ Aftermath Wars] - A Super-Melee clone (in very early development) with stunning graphics
*[http://xenoclone.com/project_xenoversus.html Xeno Versus: Space Melee] - A space combat game inspired by Super-Melee
*[http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33424&package_id=25799 Star Control Online] - A Super-Melee clone with up to fourteen ships in the arena at once (uses Super-Melee graphics)
*[http://www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp?/classicgaming/clones/frungy.zip Frungy] - A fan interpretation of the famous [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]] sport [[Frungy]]

[[Category:About the Star Control series]]

Links

2016-10-18T19:29:37Z

Pendrokar: /* Fan-made projects */ Added Star Control mods for Gal Civ series

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==Official [[The Ur-Quan Masters]] web pages==
===Relating to the actual game===
*[http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ The Ur-Quan Masters home]
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/ The Ur-Quan Masters forum]
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/bugs/index.cgi The Bugzilla bug database for The Ur-Quan Masters]
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/files/snapshots/ Subversion snapshots of The Ur-Quan Masters] (including Windows binaries)
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/sc2/ The SourceForge project page]
*[http://sc2.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sc2/trunk/ The subversion web interface to the sources of The Ur-Quan Masters]

===Relating to the [[Precursors Remixing Team|remixing project]]===
*[http://www.spacesynth.net/precursors/ Precursors home]

==[[Star Control]] related web pages==
===Game information===
*[http://www.star-control.com/ The Pages of Now & Forever] - The center of the Star Control community on the net
*[[Wikipedia:Star Control|Star Control entry at Wikipedia]]
*[http://www.mobygames.com/game_group/sheet/gameGroupId,41/ Star Control series at MobyGames]
*[http://dmoz.org/Games/Video_Games/Action/Space_Combat/Star_Control_Series/ Star Control series at Open Directory]
*[http://sa-matra.net/quotes Page listing the Star Control 2 dialogue (DOS version)].

====Game Documentation====
*The original [http://www.abandonia.com/files/extras/Star%20Control%202_Manual.zip Star Control 2 manual], from Abandonia
*The original [http://www.abandonia.com/files/extras/Starmap.jpg the Deluxe Star Control 2 starmap], from Abandonia

===[[Toys For Bob]] information===
*[http://www.toysforbob.com/ The Toys For Bob home page]

===Fan-made projects ===
Mods, games and aids based on the SC2 universe / code.

====Modified The Ur-Quan Masters code====

*[http://eli.cedarswampstudios.org/1.4.1-src.tar.gz Elvish Pillager's Crazy Mod (1.4.1)] — see [http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=3465.0 this thread] and its [[Elvish Pillager's Crazy Mod|Ultronomicon article]]
*[http://eli.cedarswampstudios.org/balance-mod-1.0.2-src.tar.gz Elvish Pillager's Balance Mod for Netplay]
*[http://uqm-mods.sourceforge.net/ Kohr-Ah Death's UQM for cheaters mods]

====Accessibility mods for The Ur-Quan Masters====
*Nic's [http://www.submedia.net/uqm/old/accessibility.zip mining graphics for the color-blind]
*Valaggar's [http://ceruopran.googlepages.com/VLdruuge.zip mint green Druuge projectiles]

====Translations====
See the [[translations]] page.

====Alternative content for the Ur-Quan Masters====
See also the [[Star Control Music]] page.

*Lance_Vader's and Valaggar's Utwig voicepack ([http://www.mediafire.com/?95xig0tx9eb without effects], [http://www.mediafire.com/?aznxsyiz9ic with effects])
*Nic's [http://www.submedia.net/uqm/old/yellow-fried.uqm Yellow Kohr-Ah FRIED] (DOS SC2 original)
*[http://www.submedia.net/uqm/old/mycon-speech.uqm Modified Mycon Dialogue] (Replaces an unimportant piece of Mycon dialogue with the DOS SC2 original dialogue that provides the location of the Mycon homeworld)
*[http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=4724.0 Missing Mycon dialogue add-on] (Similar to the above except that it adds both missing text and speech for the location of the Mycon homeworld)

====Mods for other games====
*[https://github.com/StarControlGalCiv/GalCiv2StarControl Galactic Civilizations II mod based on Star Control 2]
*[https://github.com/StarControlGalCiv/GalCiv3StarControl Galactic Civilizations III mod based on Star Control 2]

====Non-computer games====
*[http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=3479.0 Star Control Boardgame]

====Aids====
*If you've found the [[Portal Spawner]], The [http://bit.ly/IsFMse UQM Least-Fuel Route Finder] helps you calculate whether to use it for a given trip (and, if so, how).

===Fan pages===
If you've got a Star Control related web site you want others to know of, place it here!
*[http://starcontroller.com/ Star Controller] — Star Control blog, frequently updated
*[http://juicy.net63.net/ *juicy] The Ur-Quan Master fan site

===Similar games===
*[http://timewarp.sourceforge.net/ Star Control TimeWarp] - A Super-Melee clone with network play, multiple ships in the arena at once and multiple new ship designs
*[http://sourceforge.net/projects/aftermath-wars/ Aftermath Wars] - A Super-Melee clone (in very early development) with stunning graphics
*[http://xenoclone.com/project_xenoversus.html Xeno Versus: Space Melee] - A space combat game inspired by Super-Melee
*[http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33424&package_id=25799 Star Control Online] - A Super-Melee clone with up to fourteen ships in the arena at once (uses Super-Melee graphics)
*[http://www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp?/classicgaming/clones/frungy.zip Frungy] - A fan interpretation of the famous [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]] sport [[Frungy]]

[[Category:About the Star Control series]]

Second Doctrinal Conflict

2016-02-23T23:11:24Z

Pendrokar: /* Ur-Quan Hierarchy */ Kohr-Ah Kzer-Za mixup

{{DoctrinalWar
|name=Second Doctrinal War
|image=[[File:Sa-matra generators down.png]]
|caption=The Sa-Matra with generators disabled
|duration=c.2155 - c.2159
|location=our corner of the Galaxy
|result=* Kohr-Ah victory in the second [[Doctrinal Conflict]] * Decisive victory for either New Alliance or Kohr-Ah forces
|belligerent1='''[[New Alliance of Free Stars]]''' * [[Human]] * [[Arilou]] * [[Chmmr]] * [[Orz]] * [[Pkunk]] * [[Shofixti]] * [[Supox-Utwig Alliance]] * [[Syreen]] * [[Yehat Rebels]] * [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]]
|belligerent2='''[[Ur-Quan Hierarchy]]''' * [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] * [[Ilwrath]] * [[Mycon]] * [[Umgah]] * [[VUX]] * [[Yehat|Yehat (Royalists)]]<hr>* [[Spathi]] * [[Thraddash]]
|belligerent3=''[[Neutral|unaffiliated races]]'' * [[Druuge]] * [[Melnorme]] * [[Slylandro]]
|belligerent4='''[[Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah]]'''
}}

The '''Second Doctrinal Conflict''' or '''Second Doctrinal War''' is a ''non-canonical'' term referring to the events of [[Star Control II]]. It is a major galactic war that involves three major factions and nearly two dozen races that synthesises the [[Doctrinal Conflict]] and the [[Ur-Quan Slave War]].

==Background==
The '''Doctrinal Conflict''' is an ideological rivalry between the two [[Ur-Quan]] sister species. The military and foreign policies of both subspecies are aggressive and expansionist, but they do not agree on how to treat conquered races. The [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] follow the [[Path of Now and Forever]] to establish an organized imperial structure in which subdued worlds become either subservient Battle Thralls or isolated Fallow Slaves. The [[Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah]] follow the [[Eternal Doctrine]] to exterminate all races. The '''First Doctrinal War''' was waged quite some time ago, with the Kzer-Za emerging victorious after finding the [[Sa-Matra]], a [[Precursor]] ship.

The '''Ur-Quan Slave War''' was Kzer-Za invasion of our corner of the galaxy from AD 2098 to 2134. As the Kzer-Za subjugated worlds and built up the Hierarchy, the [[Chenjesu]] and [[Mmrnmhrm]] formed the [[Alliance of Free Stars]] to counter the threat. The Alliance grew along with the Hierarchy, but was eventually defeated in detail. For twenty years the Kzer-Za ruled our corner of the galaxy, with their imperial Battle Thralls enforcing order over the Fallow Slaves.

==The War==
A Human scientific mission to the [[Vela]] system lost contact with Earth and the Alliance during the war. Isolated, they constructed a [[Precursor]] ship of their own and returned on 17 February 2155 to Earth, under the leadership of [[The Captain]] and hoping to assist the war effort. After learning the fate of the old Alliance, [[The Captain]] and [[Hayes|Starbase Commander Hayes]] found the [[New Alliance of Free Stars]] to finally defeat the Ur-Quan. As the Captain is building the Alliance, he learns of the Kzer-Za and of their invasion of Kzer-Za space.

The details of the war are difficult to piece together because thousands of people claiming to be "'''The Captain'''" each have varying accounts. It is possible that the Captain of the Flagship endured some sort of transdimensional mitosis on 17 February 2155 as the Flagship entered [[TrueSpace]] at [[Sol]], resulting in thousands of Captains in thousands of dimensions, each tasked with liberating Earth from the Slave Shield and each taking a different path{{ref|1}}. Another theory{{ref|2}} is that the Umgah hacked the Flagship's log and created so many alternate histories that no one is sure which one is correct. A third and and downright cockamamy theory{{ref|3}} has emerged that has no credibility whatsoever: that all of these events are nothing more that a petroleum-age computer game in which the occurrence and chronology are determined by a "player" in the comfort of their own home!

===Events of 2155===
At the onset, the Hierarchy consisted of the Kzer-Za, seven [[Battle Thralls]] and four slave shielded worlds, the [[Humans]] were the only [[New Alliance of Free Stars|New Alliance]] member and the [[Kohr-Ah]] were a superpower. The [[Arilou]], [[Druuge]], [[Orz]], [[Pkunk]] and [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]] were all non-aligned while the [[Supox]] and [[Utwig]] had a bilateral alliance.

The Flagship defeats the last remnants of [[Earthguard]]: a disabled Ilrwath [[Avenger]] that was passing the [[Sol]] system, and a frightened [[Spathi]] captain named [[Fwiffo]] who can be persuaded to defect to the Alliance, which in turn helps convince the [[The Safe Ones|Spathi government]] to follow suit.

The Zoq-Fot-Pik were already on the edge of Ur-Quan space, prompting them to initiate contact with the [[Earth Starbase]], which was already becoming the ''de facto'' capital of the New Alliance.

The [[Ilwrath-Pkunk war]] involves Earth's two nearest neighbours, the aggressive [[Ilwrath]] Battle Thralls and the playful [[Pkunk]]. The Pkunk are losing badly and tell the Captain that they want to migrate back to [[Yehat]] space to rejoin their sister race. The [[Yehat]] were an Alliance member who defected to the Hierarchy in the later stages of the Slave War by withdrawing from a battle against the Kzer-Za and stranding the [[Shofixti]]. Many of the Starship Clans are deeply ashamed of the this, compounded by the fearless sacrifice by the Shofixti, who caused a mini supernova in their sun that destroyed all of the Kzer-Za ships and the Shofixti race. Their neighbours, the [[VUX]] and [[Mycon]] are both powerful Battle Thralls in a relatively quiet sector of space. The Druuge are a powerful merchant state that has been doing underhanded business with the [[Burvixese]] and [[Utwig]]. The [[Thraddash]] have been ordered by the Kzer-Za to hold position, while the [[Umgah]] have been pulling major pranks despite dealing with a dangerous [[Talking Pet]].

Another major issue facing this region of space is the increasing contact with mysterious and powerful red probes that "...come in peace" and then obliterate all ships in their path.

===Events of 2159===
By most accounts, the Kohr-Ah defeat the Kzer-Za in 2159 and begin the Death March to exterminate all life.

If the Captain has been thorough, the Alliance consists of a dozen worlds and the Flagship is a powerful warship; a Pkunk has become Queen of the Yehat, who are again supporting the Alliance; the Shofixti have procreated from the brink of extinction, the Syreen have crippled the Mycon fleet and their Starbase Captain Talana has become the romantic interest of the Captain; the "Dilwrath" and Thraddash annihilated each other in a brief war; the Supox and Utwig have attacked both Ur-Quan races; and the Druuge continue their underhanded business.

If the Captain has been succinct, the New Alliance will boast the Humans, Chmmr, Supox, Syreen and Utwig, with support from the Pkunk.

Whether the Captain has been thorough or succinct, he will need to have a Precursor bomb that the Chmmr will have attached to his Precursor ship that he will pilot into the heart of the Ur-Quan's Precursor ship, the Sa-Matra. If he succeeds at this Final Mission, the Ur-Quan will be defeated and the Slave Shields can be destroyed. If he fails, the Death March will plod on until it reaches its final destination: Earth. If the Captain takes too long, the Kohr-Ah will have exterminated any number of races before the Sa-Matra is destroyed.

===Aftermath===
Again, the sheer number of people claiming to be ''The'' Captain makes it difficult to piece together this history. According to those Captains who have destroyed the Sa-Matra, the Chmmr led the Allies in mopping up the remaining Kohr-Ah and Kzer-Za ships. These Captains conveniently woke from an explosion-induced coma in time to see the [[Slave Shield]] come down at [[Earth]] and pursue a relationship with [[Talana]], with whom they retire on Unzervalt. Other Captains tell grisly tales of detonating the Utwig bomb in Deep Space, of surrendering to Ur-Quan forces, or of being destroyed by red spinning probes.

==Belligerents==

===Ur-Quan Hierarchy===
Led by the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]], the [[Hierarchy]] is an interstellar empire that follows the [[Path of Now and Forever]] to conquer and enslave all races.

===Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah===
The [[Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah|Kohr-Ah]] are a sister race of the Kzer-Za and follow the [[Eternal Doctrine]] to exterminate all sentient races.

===New Alliance of Free Stars===
Led by the [[Humans]] and following in the footsteps of the original [[Alliance of Free Stars]], the [[New Alliance]] is a guerrilla army comprising many of the races that the Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah seek to enslave or exterminate.

===Unaffiliated races===
A handful of races [[Neutral|never align]] with any of the major factions but participate heavily in the conflict, namely the [[Druuge]], [[Melnorme]] and [[Slylandro]].

==Theatres and Key Battles==
===Theatres===
* [[Doctrinal Conflict|Doctrinal War]] (Kzer-Za vs Kohr-Ah)
* [[Ilwrath-Pkunk war]]
* [[Ilwrath-Thraddash war]]
* [[Supox and Utwig offensive against the Kohr-Ah]]
* [[Yehat Revolution]]

===Key Battles===
''non-canonical designations:''
* [[Ambush at Organon|Battle of Organon (Syreen vs Mycon)]]
* [[Battle of Zeta Hyades]] (New Alliance vs Druuge)
* [[Final Mission]]

==Notes and References==
{{note|1}} — This is complete fan fiction and has no connection to the canon at all.
{{note|2}} — Not actually a theory, actually an Umgah joke.
{{note|3}} — Easily the most ridiculous of the three theories.

[[Category:Alliance of Free Stars]]
[[Category:Hierarchy]]
[[Category:Kohr-Ah]]
[[Category:Historical events]]

Talk:Talking Pet

2016-02-23T15:58:59Z

Pendrokar: Went to the trouble of checking the manual myself.

This should be incorporated into the "Talking Pet (Device)" article (or vice versa), but I do agree with the categorization, so that's cool. Anyone feel like handling the cut and paste?
:How about using a "See also..."? -[[User:SamYeager|SamYeager]] 07:33, 7 Oct 2004 (CEST)

''"The Ur-Quan Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah share a cultural conviction that they are superior to all other species and that, alone among sentients, the Ur-Quan have the right to freedom; this is the basis for the Kzer-Za's pattern of conquest and the Kohr-Ah's pattern of genocide. '''One consequence of this belief is their extreme resistance to adopting any cultural practices from other species for their own use, especially language.'''"''

^^You see there's a problem with that. When you fight the Ur-Quan Dreadnaughts, you can clearly hear them saying "launch fighters" in plain english. I doubt it's the talking pets since they only need their crew, not their opponents to hear it. That and they say it when fighting non-human ships.

== Telepathic transmission ==
Are Talking Pets creating audio samples that are then transferred to the listener or are they actually using their mind control abilities to convey the meaning? Perhaps not just as 'voice in my head'? That would be [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jfsnk8Mfig Voldemort level creepy]. This may still be true even if [[Chenjesu]] and [[Mmrnmhrm]] would be immune to it seeing they are similar to the [[Taalo]], and force the Ur-Quan in using another method of communication without mentioning it. Also there is the Spathi case: 'Spathi on board at the time were curled tightly in their shellcases, and couldn't hear [the Ur-Quan] very well'.
:I see it is a 'No' from the Star Control 1 manual: "telepathically interpret Ur-Quan commands into the spoken languages of subordinate species, and reverse the procedure when receiving extra-special transmissions", while Star Control 2 manual doesn't give an actual confirmation: "telepathic/empathic ability to translate all languages". I guess it could be that having someone else's thoughts pushed in your head would be objectionable to someone that had experienced it like the Ur-Quan. [[User:Pendrokar|Pendrokar]] ([[User talk:Pendrokar|talk]]) 16:58, 23 February 2016 (CET)

== Multilingual ==

Hey Val, I just reverted that last of edit of yours because IMO it goes a bit too far. Just to make sure we're looking at the same thing, the statement from the SC1 manual is (in the Ilwrath section) "One multilingual Ur-Quan Talking Pet inscribed the following note in shorthand...", right? While I think I see you're interpretation, it's not the only one and it doesn't jive well with everything else we know about the Talking Pets (that they are not linguistically challenged in any way). To me, the "multilingual" is just a further descriptor of the Talking Pets, but not an indication that there are non-multilingual Talking Pets. To contrast this with another insight you drew in a previous edit, you added that HyperWave Casters can be shielded based on a statement that the Chenjesu detected '''un'''shielded HW broadcasts. The "un-" necessarily implies that both cases, shielded and unshielded, exist. However, simply saying "a multilingual Talking Pet" is far more ambiguous - it's not clear whether this is to distinguish it from other Talking Pets or if this is a trait that all Talking Pets share, like the phrases "warm-blooded mammals" or "cowardly Spathi" (OK, maybe that last one is up for debate, especially if the BSS actually exist). --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 17:59, 14 February 2008 (CET)

:Mmm, yes, it might well be so... though I'm not quite sure whether someone who can (telepathically) comprehend ''any'' language (not ''multiple'' languages) qualifies as multilingual. Anyway, the SC1 manual was written before the creation of the Dnyarri... before it was established that the Talking Pets' ancestors (at least) had psychic powers... so the multilingual thing is anyway obsolete canon, I guess. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 18:33, 14 February 2008 (CET)

Talk:Talking Pet

2016-02-23T15:46:35Z

Pendrokar: Are Talking Pets Telepathic?

This should be incorporated into the "Talking Pet (Device)" article (or vice versa), but I do agree with the categorization, so that's cool. Anyone feel like handling the cut and paste?
:How about using a "See also..."? -[[User:SamYeager|SamYeager]] 07:33, 7 Oct 2004 (CEST)

''"The Ur-Quan Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah share a cultural conviction that they are superior to all other species and that, alone among sentients, the Ur-Quan have the right to freedom; this is the basis for the Kzer-Za's pattern of conquest and the Kohr-Ah's pattern of genocide. '''One consequence of this belief is their extreme resistance to adopting any cultural practices from other species for their own use, especially language.'''"''

^^You see there's a problem with that. When you fight the Ur-Quan Dreadnaughts, you can clearly hear them saying "launch fighters" in plain english. I doubt it's the talking pets since they only need their crew, not their opponents to hear it. That and they say it when fighting non-human ships.

== Telepathic transmission ==
Are Talking Pets creating audio samples that are then transferred to the listener or are they actually using their mind control abilities to convey the meaning? Perhaps not just as 'voice in my head'? That would be [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jfsnk8Mfig Voldemort level creepy]. This may still be true even if [[Chenjesu]] and [[Mmrnmhrm]] would be immune to it seeing they are similar to the [[Taalo]], and force the Ur-Quan in using another method of communication without mentioning it. Also there is the Spathi case: 'Spathi on board at the time were curled tightly in their shellcases, and couldn't hear [the Ur-Quan] very well'.

== Multilingual ==

Hey Val, I just reverted that last of edit of yours because IMO it goes a bit too far. Just to make sure we're looking at the same thing, the statement from the SC1 manual is (in the Ilwrath section) "One multilingual Ur-Quan Talking Pet inscribed the following note in shorthand...", right? While I think I see you're interpretation, it's not the only one and it doesn't jive well with everything else we know about the Talking Pets (that they are not linguistically challenged in any way). To me, the "multilingual" is just a further descriptor of the Talking Pets, but not an indication that there are non-multilingual Talking Pets. To contrast this with another insight you drew in a previous edit, you added that HyperWave Casters can be shielded based on a statement that the Chenjesu detected '''un'''shielded HW broadcasts. The "un-" necessarily implies that both cases, shielded and unshielded, exist. However, simply saying "a multilingual Talking Pet" is far more ambiguous - it's not clear whether this is to distinguish it from other Talking Pets or if this is a trait that all Talking Pets share, like the phrases "warm-blooded mammals" or "cowardly Spathi" (OK, maybe that last one is up for debate, especially if the BSS actually exist). --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 17:59, 14 February 2008 (CET)

:Mmm, yes, it might well be so... though I'm not quite sure whether someone who can (telepathically) comprehend ''any'' language (not ''multiple'' languages) qualifies as multilingual. Anyway, the SC1 manual was written before the creation of the Dnyarri... before it was established that the Talking Pets' ancestors (at least) had psychic powers... so the multilingual thing is anyway obsolete canon, I guess. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 18:33, 14 February 2008 (CET)