https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=24.117.122.78&feedformat=atomUltronomicon - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T07:07:12ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.7https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Utwig&diff=18338Talk:Utwig2007-07-09T21:08:44Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I remember hearing something from these guys about in their early days, they and some race called the Chimt rose from the swamps on Fahz, and the Chimt's tendrils made the veils fall, whatever that entails. Perhaps these should be mentioned, or at least the Chimt have some sort of mention here?<br />
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:I agree, this article can be expanded, I think it's somewhere on my mental list of things to do. There's a lot more information that could be included about the Utwig history and culture that needs to go here. If no one gets to it soon, feel free to go at it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 19:38, 16 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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:Alright, i'll have a shot at it now. I'm the same guy BTW, I just felt it was only proper to register. --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 17 February 2006<br />
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::Nice work on the [[Utwig]] history section. Much better than anything I could have done. I hope you don't mind the edits I made to it - if you've got questions on any of those edits, feel free to ask. One piece that I removed but I'm curious about is you said the bomb was found on Delta Aquarii. I don't recall a reference for this, but maybe I missed it. Do you remember where you got this comment from? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:49, 18 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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::Gah, is that the wrong system? I thought it was in Aquarii along with Fahz.. Anyhow, I got interrupted and then sidetracked and then.. sorrrt of kind of fell asleep >_>" So i'm gonna have another stab at the article now - and no, I don't mind changes at all =) --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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There, I think i'm just about done now, unless you can think of anythin else that needs to go in --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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The story of the Chimt may have been influenced by the story of the Garden of Eden.<br />
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"It all began when the Chimt rose from the Murky Bog and the Utwig emerged as well." <-> animals and humans were created.<br />
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"Meanwhile, the tendrils of the Chimt infiltrated the vast sky canopies of Fahz and then the veils fell!" <-> The serpent messed with the minds of the first humans.<br />
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"Suddenly, the Utwig were stunned by a collective realization!" <-> Realisation after eating from the tree of wisdom.<br />
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"All immediately and urgently donned veils of every description!" <-> The humans felt they needed to cover themselves.<br />
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&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 14:54, 19 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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== moving chimt section to its own article ==<br />
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I've been perusing the wanted pages list and noticed that one of them is for '''Chimt'''. In all honesty, the section [[Utwig#Who are the Chimt]] does a pretty good summation of what we know and imho could be moved over to its own page, maybe with a little bit of tweaking. It would be short article, but would allow for easy access if someone types in Chimt since we can't redirect to sections of an article. Thoughts? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 08:01, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Oh, frell it. I know it hasn't been too long since the post above, but the more I think about it, the more I like it...so I'm just going to do it. What's the worst that could happen, someone revert me and tell me I'm wrong? I think I can live with that. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 11 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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==Masks==<br />
Query: Identify location of images of Utwig masks. Directive: Transfer to this article. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 19:26, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:I don't believe we have images of any of the masks except the "mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame" (the one all Utwig captains wear during the game), since all the other masks were destroyed when the Ultron broke:<br />
::''All Utwig immediately donned the mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame with a vow to wear it forever! Bonfires all over Fahz consumed all but this mask; no other mask was spared!''<br />
:Most of the other utiwg dialog that talks about the other masks seems to back this up. There is one bit of dialog that doesn't fit with this though:<br />
::''We have returned from a conflict of a grand scale with our fleet battered but our <u>masks of Valor and Derring-Do</u> fitting snugly!''<br />
:but, imho, this is likely just be an idiomatic phrase. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:17, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Query: After Ultron repair Utwig masks remade. Directive: Affirim or negate. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 01:58, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:Eventually yes, and if you believe the ending credits, that was to happen two days after the end of the game. I've gone through most of the utwig dialog and can't find any reference to them actually wearing anything else. Instead, the utwig captains make references to wanting to don the appropriate masks but are unable (presumeably b/c they were all destroyed). Additionally, the return of the Ultron precipitates a mask etiquette reform/re-adjustment, likely further delaying a return to mask-normalcy. Of course, I might have missed something, so do you have reason to believe otherwise? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 02:25, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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::Reply: SC3 Utwig wear mask of Determined Colenization in Support of Galatic Integrity. Observation: SC3 not considered canon. Frustration: AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! *Floats around in circles* [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 03:27, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:::I this case, I'm with Dak here. While SC3 isn't usually considered canonical, why ''wouldn't'' the Utwig have a Mask of Determined Colonization in Support of Galactic Integrity, or something to that effect? I seem to remember the Mask of Steely Determination in there as well, which is a far more logical mask to see exist in Utwig culture. [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 05:18, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::TFB decides what's part of their universe. It's not a matter of whether something would make sense in the SC2 universe. SC3 material is not regarded any more canon than fan fiction is. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 17:01, 14 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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::::alright. I was mostly seeing if Dak's frustration could be alleviated a touch, but I guess accuracy is far more important. Sorry, Dak! [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 14:12, 19 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Ultimate and Universal ==<br />
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Alright Val, before we get into a total edit war - I thought I had come up with a reasonable compromise, but your recent edit totally destroyed any semblance of compromise - here are the relevant statements (PC version, I don't think it changes much in 3DO/UQM):<br />
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"The Universal"<br />
* The Ultron was the only thing which assured total and complete meaning of life for you and me. It was Universal; I'm sure that you are also aware of this if only in legend!<br />
* It assured total and complete meaning of life for All -- the Universal!<br />
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"The Ultimate"<br />
*The Ultron moans and hums! Matters of significance are being relayed to our brains. It has been so long since we communicated with the Ultimate in such a manner but slowly, the truth is revealed!!...<br />
*Hmm... a reasonable request. Give us a second while we consult the Ultimate. The Ultron confirms the evidence of our ocularities<br />
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Now, IMO, there is no clear statement saying the Ultron is the Ultimate/Universal, though I can see how that interpretation is taken from these statements. The other interpretation (the one that you took completely out of my compromise phrasing) is that the Ultimate/Universal is what the Ultron allows access to. Since maybe you're not seeing how I get this interpretation, I'll explain it here. For the Universal statements, it's not clear what "the Universal" refers back to, it could be the Ultron (your interpretation) or the total and complete meaning of life for All, ie the universal knowledge (my interpretation). Also, for the Ultimate phrases, it's telling IMO that they don't use the word "Ultron" even though they use it immediately before or after, which leads me to believe that the two aren't quite synonomous and makes me interpret the Ultimate to be, again, that universal knowledge, that Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything <small>(42!)</small>. Does this make sense? Now I know you invoked the idea of hypostasis, but like I said, I'm a nontrinitarian christian, so I've never had to deal with that philosophy/idea to understand God. Maybe it is similar, but for me, this alternative interpretation draws a distinct line between the Ultron device and the Universal Knowledge the Ultron allows access to. Lacking a definitive statement (and comments from others), both interpretations should be present - though maybe this discussion/interpretations should be explained over on the Ultron page. The paragraph in question was originally intended to demonstrate the Utwig obsession with destiny, and this is getting a wee bit far afield of that topic so maybe after a bit of thought I might go down that road. But in the meantime, I'm reinstating a form of the compromise language. If you're going to tweak, fine, but please leave the compromise in instead of totally removing the interpretation you don't agree with/understand. Thanks. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:06, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, so that was a compromise... I think I didn't get it. Anyway, about the quotes: In the 3DO version the first "The Universal" quote is more clear:<br />
::''The Ultron was '''not only''' the thing which assures total and complete meaning of life for you and I''<br />
::''it is Universal; I'm sure that you too are aware of this thing if only in legend!''<br />
::''It granted us all limitless power and knowledge.''<br />
::''It has been since, well, rendered inoperative.''<br />
:Even the DOS quote doesn't seem so ambiguous, since "It" (in "It was Universal") can't replace "total and complete meaning of life", as in such a case "this thing" is rather used (in cases when the object you replace is the last object you mentioned).<br />
:The Ultimate, however, is ambiguous, indeed; it may refer to the destiny (personified), for example. Though it doesn't make sense to introduce new entities when the old ones will do (Occam's Razor again, this time by my side!). You could use my argument (that in this case the most interesting interpretation should prevail, not the simplest one), but it just doesn't seem likely that PR3/FF thought of the word "the Ultimate" as a name for destiny rather than the Ultron. Doesn't ''seem''. Though... I don't know... [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 13:45, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Utwig Importance ==<br />
Is it not possible that the Ultron, being the Appendages of Dawn, actually does give the Utwig a sight beyond sight into all things important? With that said, is it not possible that the Utwig are not exaggerating their galactic importance, but have actually become very important due to their possession of the Ultron?<br />
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This is mere speculation, but one might even go as far as to say that the Ultron allowed itself to be dropped and broken, as the Captain's journey to find the parts to repair the Ultron brought several other things into motion and allowed the Captain to gain the trust of the Supox and Utwig, therefore gaining access to the bomb that would, after modification, destroy the Sa Matra, as well as the combined fleets delaying the Kohr-Ah for an entire year.<br />
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Just some ideas. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 19:47, 4 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:1. The Utwig are emo, and emo people always say that they are very important, but that nobody pays them any attention.<br />
:2. I've edited now to make it clearer - I was talking about the Bomb too. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 09:31, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::You're not providing anything to back up your claims. All sources on the bomb state that the bomb is significantly powerful, and the Starbase Commander advises you to perform any experiments with the bomb several AU away from the station. That's astronomical units, the distance from the Earth to the center of the sun. This is an extremely powerful bomb and I find it very likely that the Utwig were not exaggerating its destructive potential at all. The only thing that possibly stood a chance against it was a Precursor battle platform, a warship. The Utwig bomb very well might have destroyed it on its own, but the Chmmr didn't want to take any chances and grossly amplified the power of the bomb..<br />
::Also, stating that the Utwig are "emo" and that "emo people always say..." is an awful generalization and is highly circumstantial. I find the Utwig to be rather big-headed about their possession of the Ultron and their insight into things through it, but they've shown they can back up their claims. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 18:12, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:::(re emo) I was in a bad mood over the Utwig voice when I stated that they're emo; in anger, I said something which in fact I don't believe at all.<br />
:::(re powerful bomb) I've also included the Sa-Matra now. Also, about the Bomb - the Chmmr are in the best position to speak about the Bomb, and they say that "if you had activated it, the weapon would have annihilated your ship and everything else within five hundred kilometers". To reduce a moon-sized object to particulate dust-clouds (even a Deimos-sized moon &mdash; ah, and keep in mind that Deimos is not moon-sized, nor is Phobos) requires a lot of energy &mdash; "everything else", here, probably refers to ships and similar objects, since even asteroids are much more difficult to destroy even if they are small.<br />
:::Anyway, I've recently worded it in another way, with "seem to". This should do the trick. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 20:24, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::::So, according to the Chmmr, the unmodified Utwig bomb has an annihilation sphere of 500 km radius, or 1000 km diameter. Let's consider the nature of an explosion. Even assuming that this bomb only has an annihilation zone and there are no further effects from the bomb itself beyond this barrier, or that 1000km radius is not considered moon-sized, you have to take into mind the further devastating effects this bomb would have on a hunk of rock in space. In space, an explosion causes a fireball and a hail of debris that escaped vaporization. On a large solid hunk of rock, however, there is a shockwave that rips through the solid material of the rock.<br />
::::Let's say you detonated the Utwig bomb on Io, a moon with an average diameter of close to 3600 km. Detonate the bomb on the surface and you've put a 500km deep hemispherical crater on Io, almost a third of the way to its center. It doesn't just stop there, however. The shockwave from that explosion rips through Io, reducing the moon to rubble. Blast a huge hole in Io first then drop the bomb down it... well that just makes it so much worse.<br />
::::How about Uranus' moon Europa? Half the diameter of Io, but definitely moon-sized. And there are even smaller moons than Europa but still magnitudes larger than Phobos and Deimos. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 00:53, 6 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:::::The idea is that in "annihilates anything within 500 km", "anything" doesn't mean really anything; if it were anything, after all, the Bomb wouldn't have needed to be improved to be able to destroy the Sa-Matra.<br />
:::::Moons are definitely harder to destroy than ships, and not only due to their size but also to their mass. Plus, I'm not sure if the shockwave would be enough to vaporize the rest of Io or even Europa (the explosion would gulp a big chunk with a radius of 500 km, but the rest (of Europa's diameter of about 3000 km) would need a lot of energy to be destroyed. Small moons don't go into the equation - "moon-sized" means "having the size of a normal moon", not the size of an asteroid-sized moon. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 09:54, 6 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::::::There's no such thing as a "normal moon" when it comes to size. A moon is a natural satellite, a body in orbit of a planet. Moons vary greatly in size and composition, and unless you can prove what the Utwig consider to be "moon-sized" all you are doing is conjecturing. So, considering the fact that most natural satellites (in our planetary system) have a mean diameter of less than 1000 km, anything above this is not really "normal" at all.<br />
::::::And about asteroid-sized, well you have the same situation. Ceres, a body of 900 km diameter, was reclassified as a dwarf planet, and was the only (discovered) asteroid to receive this reclassification. This means Ceres is abnormally large for an asteroid. Asteroids tend to be more like the size of houses to very small cities. If you placed the Utwig bomb in the center of Ceres, the entire body would be vaporized, so the Utwig bomb is definitely capable of reducing a moon-sized object to particulate dust clouds. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 16:10, 6 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:::::::The vast majority of moons in Utwig space have a radius of at least 1600 km. And there ''is'' such a thing as a "normal moon" - a moon with a medium size.<br />
:::::::Also, you've ignored my other argument: in "annihilates anything within 500 km", "anything" doesn't mean really anything; if it were anything, after all, the Bomb wouldn't have needed to be improved to be able to destroy the Sa-Matra.<br />
:::::::So, what I'm saying is that, while it is possible that the Bomb can truly "reduce moon-sized objects to particulate dust clouds", it is far from certain, so we should include the possibility that it doesn't. Plus the Utwig exaggerate in the case of the Sa-Matra too (I know, they haven't seen it in action, so they're anyway not a reliable source even without exaggeration). [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 17:52, 6 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::::::::This argument is stupid. It's already 9 sections deep. Forget I ever cared. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 23:08, 9 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Fwiffo&diff=18283Talk:Fwiffo2007-07-06T14:19:24Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>== Fwiffo's Survival ==<br />
There will be a decision once and for all if anything said by TFB about a new game in development should be considered canon or not.<br />
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Productions can change wildly over the course of development, and just because something is true today does not mean that it won't be changed down the road. There is no way of knowing exactly what is going to be and what is going to stay in the game until the game is released.<br />
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If a politician makes claims while running for office to lower taxes, eliminate poverty and half the unemployment rate, when that person is elected do we go to Wikipedia and state "There will be lower taxes, no more poverty and half the unemployment rate"? Of course not! We can't predict the future, and we have to see if this person lives up to their claims. This is the same way with TFB. Sure, they are *the* source for Star Control information, but they're human and may choose to change this part of the plot before the game is released.<br />
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However, Valaggar is going to insist on claiming this is canon unless we decide here and now. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 16:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Fwiffo&diff=18281Fwiffo2007-07-06T14:12:10Z<p>24.117.122.78: Wrong.</p>
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<div>Captain '''Fwiffo''' of the [[Spathi]] [[Eluder]] [[StarRunner]] is a 25-year veteran of the Spathi navy and the last member of the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]]'s [[Earthguard]] forces. Along with the rest of the Earthguard, he was assigned to [[Sol]] to keep an eye on the [[Slave Shield|slave-shielded]] [[Humans]].<br />
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The [[Ilwrath]] withdrew to find better sport and the other [[Spathi]], uneasy at being so close to their enemies and far away from home, fled to join the other Spathi defending [[Spathiwa]] from the [[Ultimate Evil]] &mdash; or this, at least, is Fwiffo's claim; no other Spathi talk about the Ultimate Evil. Unwilling to directly defy Ur-Quan orders, the Spathi retreated in small groups, until a single individual was left to captain a vessel by himself in literal obedience to the Ur-Quan, although the actual mission was abandoned in spirit.<br />
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==Biography and military career==<br />
Fwiffo was the youngest in a family of 18,487. He had a rough childhood where his father had to work hard to make ends meet. His parents, unwilling to spend too much effort in raising him, kicked him out of the house to fend for himself. While daydreaming about the great wealth he could accumulate in a civilian career, he was hit by a vegetable cart and knocked unconscious. He was robbed of all of his money by strangers and shanghaied into the navy by unscrupulous recruiters while still unconscious, thus forcing him into an unpleasant military career.<br />
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Fwiffo served on board the [[StarRunner]] as a crewman. As the Spathi to successively lose the most [[Puun-Taffy]] decision rituals, he became the Captain of his vessel and sole [[Earthguard]] member. It is unknown whether this was sheer bad luck or the result of manipulation by his comrades; Fwiffo appears to have developed a notorious reputation within the Spathi Navy as being particularly cowardly, weak-willed and impressionable by even Spathi norms, making him doubly so from the point of view of a [[Human]]. As a member of the [[Spathi High Council]] says, "If you held a weapon to Fwiffo's head, he would say anything you wanted him to say. In fact, if you held a vegetable to his head he would probably say anything you wanted him to say."<br />
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==Optional events==<br />
This unimpressive military record eventually leads Fwiffo down the path of heroism. At this point, the Spathi Earthguard had already retreated to [[Pluto]] to remain as far from danger as possible. While investigating a faint alien signal in the vicinity of [[Uranus]], [[The Flagship]]'s landing crew can discover Fwiffo's ship on the surface of Pluto. In a panic, Fwiffo will open fire on the landing party, killing [[Kowalski]], [[Fritz]], [[Chin]], [[O'Donnell]], [[Luigi]], and all three of [[the Liebermann Triplets]]. Seeing The Flagship orbiting above Pluto in what he believed to be a threatening posture, he will become even more fearful and immediately contact The Captain, apologizing profusely and telling him the location of [[Spathiwa]] and the [[Secret Spathi Cypher]] before any prompting, or even a chance to speak, on The Captain's part.<br />
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[[The Captain]] is understandably upset, but if he suppresses his anger and speaks to Fwiffo calmly, he can eventually convince Fwiffo to join his fleet. As such, Fwiffo becomes one of The Captain's first allies and friends during the [[Second War]]. Like most Spathi, Fwiffo's innate reflexes and tactical ability only manifest themselves when he is forced into combat from which he could not escape, but such situations occur often in his days with The Captain's fleet. The StarRunner can be one of the [[New Alliance of Free Stars|New Alliance]]'s most valuable tactical assets early in its life. Prevented from returning to his home planet after it is [[slave shield|slave-shield]]ed by [[the Safe Ones]], Fwiffo is forced to throw his lot in with the Humans and their Alliance for the foreseeable future, hoping at the same time to somehow achieve his goal of retiring to a comfortable villa on a beautiful, secluded, and safe planet.<br />
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While it is possible to beat the game without allying or even coming into contact with Fwiffo, there are some indications that this and Fwiffo's subsequent survival throughout the game may become part of the accepted [[canon]].{{ref|1}}<br />
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==Notes and references==<br />
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::23:09 <@fOSSiL> So we should refrain from asking too much about the potentially upcoming SC game? (not to devulge too much about the plot, etc.) ;)<br />
::23:12 <+PR3> I'd rather not say too much about the plot, except that Fwiffo's general paranoia, greed and lust for fame triggers the initial 'bad event' getting the player moving.<br />
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<div>I remember hearing something from these guys about in their early days, they and some race called the Chimt rose from the swamps on Fahz, and the Chimt's tendrils made the veils fall, whatever that entails. Perhaps these should be mentioned, or at least the Chimt have some sort of mention here?<br />
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:I agree, this article can be expanded, I think it's somewhere on my mental list of things to do. There's a lot more information that could be included about the Utwig history and culture that needs to go here. If no one gets to it soon, feel free to go at it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 19:38, 16 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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:Alright, i'll have a shot at it now. I'm the same guy BTW, I just felt it was only proper to register. --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 17 February 2006<br />
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::Nice work on the [[Utwig]] history section. Much better than anything I could have done. I hope you don't mind the edits I made to it - if you've got questions on any of those edits, feel free to ask. One piece that I removed but I'm curious about is you said the bomb was found on Delta Aquarii. I don't recall a reference for this, but maybe I missed it. Do you remember where you got this comment from? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:49, 18 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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::Gah, is that the wrong system? I thought it was in Aquarii along with Fahz.. Anyhow, I got interrupted and then sidetracked and then.. sorrrt of kind of fell asleep >_>" So i'm gonna have another stab at the article now - and no, I don't mind changes at all =) --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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There, I think i'm just about done now, unless you can think of anythin else that needs to go in --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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The story of the Chimt may have been influenced by the story of the Garden of Eden.<br />
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"It all began when the Chimt rose from the Murky Bog and the Utwig emerged as well." <-> animals and humans were created.<br />
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"Meanwhile, the tendrils of the Chimt infiltrated the vast sky canopies of Fahz and then the veils fell!" <-> The serpent messed with the minds of the first humans.<br />
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"Suddenly, the Utwig were stunned by a collective realization!" <-> Realisation after eating from the tree of wisdom.<br />
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"All immediately and urgently donned veils of every description!" <-> The humans felt they needed to cover themselves.<br />
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&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 14:54, 19 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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== moving chimt section to its own article ==<br />
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I've been perusing the wanted pages list and noticed that one of them is for '''Chimt'''. In all honesty, the section [[Utwig#Who are the Chimt]] does a pretty good summation of what we know and imho could be moved over to its own page, maybe with a little bit of tweaking. It would be short article, but would allow for easy access if someone types in Chimt since we can't redirect to sections of an article. Thoughts? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 08:01, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Oh, frell it. I know it hasn't been too long since the post above, but the more I think about it, the more I like it...so I'm just going to do it. What's the worst that could happen, someone revert me and tell me I'm wrong? I think I can live with that. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 11 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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==Masks==<br />
Query: Identify location of images of Utwig masks. Directive: Transfer to this article. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 19:26, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:I don't believe we have images of any of the masks except the "mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame" (the one all Utwig captains wear during the game), since all the other masks were destroyed when the Ultron broke:<br />
::''All Utwig immediately donned the mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame with a vow to wear it forever! Bonfires all over Fahz consumed all but this mask; no other mask was spared!''<br />
:Most of the other utiwg dialog that talks about the other masks seems to back this up. There is one bit of dialog that doesn't fit with this though:<br />
::''We have returned from a conflict of a grand scale with our fleet battered but our <u>masks of Valor and Derring-Do</u> fitting snugly!''<br />
:but, imho, this is likely just be an idiomatic phrase. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:17, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Query: After Ultron repair Utwig masks remade. Directive: Affirim or negate. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 01:58, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:Eventually yes, and if you believe the ending credits, that was to happen two days after the end of the game. I've gone through most of the utwig dialog and can't find any reference to them actually wearing anything else. Instead, the utwig captains make references to wanting to don the appropriate masks but are unable (presumeably b/c they were all destroyed). Additionally, the return of the Ultron precipitates a mask etiquette reform/re-adjustment, likely further delaying a return to mask-normalcy. Of course, I might have missed something, so do you have reason to believe otherwise? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 02:25, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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::Reply: SC3 Utwig wear mask of Determined Colenization in Support of Galatic Integrity. Observation: SC3 not considered canon. Frustration: AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! *Floats around in circles* [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 03:27, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:::I this case, I'm with Dak here. While SC3 isn't usually considered canonical, why ''wouldn't'' the Utwig have a Mask of Determined Colonization in Support of Galactic Integrity, or something to that effect? I seem to remember the Mask of Steely Determination in there as well, which is a far more logical mask to see exist in Utwig culture. [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 05:18, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::TFB decides what's part of their universe. It's not a matter of whether something would make sense in the SC2 universe. SC3 material is not regarded any more canon than fan fiction is. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 17:01, 14 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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::::alright. I was mostly seeing if Dak's frustration could be alleviated a touch, but I guess accuracy is far more important. Sorry, Dak! [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 14:12, 19 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Ultimate and Universal ==<br />
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Alright Val, before we get into a total edit war - I thought I had come up with a reasonable compromise, but your recent edit totally destroyed any semblance of compromise - here are the relevant statements (PC version, I don't think it changes much in 3DO/UQM):<br />
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"The Universal"<br />
* The Ultron was the only thing which assured total and complete meaning of life for you and me. It was Universal; I'm sure that you are also aware of this if only in legend!<br />
* It assured total and complete meaning of life for All -- the Universal!<br />
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"The Ultimate"<br />
*The Ultron moans and hums! Matters of significance are being relayed to our brains. It has been so long since we communicated with the Ultimate in such a manner but slowly, the truth is revealed!!...<br />
*Hmm... a reasonable request. Give us a second while we consult the Ultimate. The Ultron confirms the evidence of our ocularities<br />
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Now, IMO, there is no clear statement saying the Ultron is the Ultimate/Universal, though I can see how that interpretation is taken from these statements. The other interpretation (the one that you took completely out of my compromise phrasing) is that the Ultimate/Universal is what the Ultron allows access to. Since maybe you're not seeing how I get this interpretation, I'll explain it here. For the Universal statements, it's not clear what "the Universal" refers back to, it could be the Ultron (your interpretation) or the total and complete meaning of life for All, ie the universal knowledge (my interpretation). Also, for the Ultimate phrases, it's telling IMO that they don't use the word "Ultron" even though they use it immediately before or after, which leads me to believe that the two aren't quite synonomous and makes me interpret the Ultimate to be, again, that universal knowledge, that Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything <small>(42!)</small>. Does this make sense? Now I know you invoked the idea of hypostasis, but like I said, I'm a nontrinitarian christian, so I've never had to deal with that philosophy/idea to understand God. Maybe it is similar, but for me, this alternative interpretation draws a distinct line between the Ultron device and the Universal Knowledge the Ultron allows access to. Lacking a definitive statement (and comments from others), both interpretations should be present - though maybe this discussion/interpretations should be explained over on the Ultron page. The paragraph in question was originally intended to demonstrate the Utwig obsession with destiny, and this is getting a wee bit far afield of that topic so maybe after a bit of thought I might go down that road. But in the meantime, I'm reinstating a form of the compromise language. If you're going to tweak, fine, but please leave the compromise in instead of totally removing the interpretation you don't agree with/understand. Thanks. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:06, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, so that was a compromise... I think I didn't get it. Anyway, about the quotes: In the 3DO version the first "The Universal" quote is more clear:<br />
::''The Ultron was '''not only''' the thing which assures total and complete meaning of life for you and I''<br />
::''it is Universal; I'm sure that you too are aware of this thing if only in legend!''<br />
::''It granted us all limitless power and knowledge.''<br />
::''It has been since, well, rendered inoperative.''<br />
:Even the DOS quote doesn't seem so ambiguous, since "It" (in "It was Universal") can't replace "total and complete meaning of life", as in such a case "this thing" is rather used (in cases when the object you replace is the last object you mentioned).<br />
:The Ultimate, however, is ambiguous, indeed; it may refer to the destiny (personified), for example. Though it doesn't make sense to introduce new entities when the old ones will do (Occam's Razor again, this time by my side!). You could use my argument (that in this case the most interesting interpretation should prevail, not the simplest one), but it just doesn't seem likely that PR3/FF thought of the word "the Ultimate" as a name for destiny rather than the Ultron. Doesn't ''seem''. Though... I don't know... [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 13:45, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Utwig Importance ==<br />
Is it not possible that the Ultron, being the Appendages of Dawn, actually does give the Utwig a sight beyond sight into all things important? With that said, is it not possible that the Utwig are not exaggerating their galactic importance, but have actually become very important due to their possession of the Ultron?<br />
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This is mere speculation, but one might even go as far as to say that the Ultron allowed itself to be dropped and broken, as the Captain's journey to find the parts to repair the Ultron brought several other things into motion and allowed the Captain to gain the trust of the Supox and Utwig, therefore gaining access to the bomb that would, after modification, destroy the Sa Matra, as well as the combined fleets delaying the Kohr-Ah for an entire year.<br />
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Just some ideas. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 19:47, 4 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:1. The Utwig are emo, and emo people always say that they are very important, but that nobody pays them any attention.<br />
:2. I've edited now to make it clearer - I was talking about the Bomb too. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 09:31, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::You're not providing anything to back up your claims. All sources on the bomb state that the bomb is significantly powerful, and the Starbase Commander advises you to perform any experiments with the bomb several AU away from the station. That's astronomical units, the distance from the Earth to the center of the sun. This is an extremely powerful bomb and I find it very likely that the Utwig were not exaggerating its destructive potential at all. The only thing that possibly stood a chance against it was a Precursor battle platform, a warship. The Utwig bomb very well might have destroyed it on its own, but the Chmmr didn't want to take any chances and grossly amplified the power of the bomb..<br />
::Also, stating that the Utwig are "emo" and that "emo people always say..." is an awful generalization and is highly circumstantial. I find the Utwig to be rather big-headed about their possession of the Ultron and their insight into things through it, but they've shown they can back up their claims. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 18:12, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:::(re emo) I was in a bad mood over the Utwig voice when I stated that they're emo; in anger, I said something which in fact I don't believe at all.<br />
:::(re powerful bomb) I've also included the Sa-Matra now. Also, about the Bomb - the Chmmr are in the best position to speak about the Bomb, and they say that "if you had activated it, the weapon would have annihilated your ship and everything else within five hundred kilometers". To reduce a moon-sized object to particulate dust-clouds (even a Deimos-sized moon &mdash; ah, and keep in mind that Deimos is not moon-sized, nor is Phobos) requires a lot of energy &mdash; "everything else", here, probably refers to ships and similar objects, since even asteroids are much more difficult to destroy even if they are small.<br />
:::Anyway, I've recently worded it in another way, with "seem to". This should do the trick. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 20:24, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::::So, according to the Chmmr, the unmodified Utwig bomb has an annihilation sphere of 500 km radius, or 1000 km diameter. Let's consider the nature of an explosion. Even assuming that this bomb only has an annihilation zone and there are no further effects from the bomb itself beyond this barrier, or that 1000km radius is not considered moon-sized, you have to take into mind the further devastating effects this bomb would have on a hunk of rock in space. In space, an explosion causes a fireball and a hail of debris that escaped vaporization. On a large solid hunk of rock, however, there is a shockwave that rips through the solid material of the rock.<br />
::::Let's say you detonated the Utwig bomb on Io, a moon with an average diameter of close to 3600 km. Detonate the bomb on the surface and you've put a 500km deep hemispherical crater on Io, almost a third of the way to its center. It doesn't just stop there, however. The shockwave from that explosion rips through Io, reducing the moon to rubble. Blast a huge hole in Io first then drop the bomb down it... well that just makes it so much worse.<br />
::::How about Uranus' moon Europa? Half the diameter of Io, but definitely moon-sized. And there are even smaller moons than Europa but still magnitudes larger than Phobos and Deimos. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 00:53, 6 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:::::The idea is that in "annihilates anything within 500 km", "anything" doesn't mean really anything; if it were anything, after all, the Bomb wouldn't have needed to be improved to be able to destroy the Sa-Matra.<br />
:::::Moons are definitely harder to destroy than ships, and not only due to their size but also to their mass. Plus, I'm not sure if the shockwave would be enough to vaporize the rest of Io or even Europa (the explosion would gulp a big chunk with a radius of 500 km, but the rest (of Europa's diameter of about 3000 km) would need a lot of energy to be destroyed. Small moons don't go into the equation - "moon-sized" means "having the size of a normal moon", not the size of an asteroid-sized moon. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 09:54, 6 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::::::There's no such thing as a "normal moon" when it comes to size. A moon is a natural satellite, a body in orbit of a planet. Moons vary greatly in size and composition, and unless you can prove what the Utwig consider to be "moon-sized" all you are doing is conjecturing. So, considering the fact that most natural satellites (in our planetary system) have a mean diameter of less than 1000 km, anything above this is not really "normal" at all.<br />
::::::And about asteroid-sized, well you have the same situation. Ceres, a body of 900 km diameter, was reclassified as a dwarf planet, and was the only (discovered) asteroid to receive this reclassification. This means Ceres is abnormally large for an asteroid. Asteroids tend to be more like the size of houses to very small cities. If you placed the Utwig bomb in the center of Ceres, the entire body would be vaporized, so the Utwig bomb is definitely capable of reducing a moon-sized object to particulate dust clouds. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 16:10, 6 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Utwig&diff=18270Talk:Utwig2007-07-05T22:53:45Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I remember hearing something from these guys about in their early days, they and some race called the Chimt rose from the swamps on Fahz, and the Chimt's tendrils made the veils fall, whatever that entails. Perhaps these should be mentioned, or at least the Chimt have some sort of mention here?<br />
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:I agree, this article can be expanded, I think it's somewhere on my mental list of things to do. There's a lot more information that could be included about the Utwig history and culture that needs to go here. If no one gets to it soon, feel free to go at it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 19:38, 16 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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:Alright, i'll have a shot at it now. I'm the same guy BTW, I just felt it was only proper to register. --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 17 February 2006<br />
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::Nice work on the [[Utwig]] history section. Much better than anything I could have done. I hope you don't mind the edits I made to it - if you've got questions on any of those edits, feel free to ask. One piece that I removed but I'm curious about is you said the bomb was found on Delta Aquarii. I don't recall a reference for this, but maybe I missed it. Do you remember where you got this comment from? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:49, 18 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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::Gah, is that the wrong system? I thought it was in Aquarii along with Fahz.. Anyhow, I got interrupted and then sidetracked and then.. sorrrt of kind of fell asleep >_>" So i'm gonna have another stab at the article now - and no, I don't mind changes at all =) --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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There, I think i'm just about done now, unless you can think of anythin else that needs to go in --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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The story of the Chimt may have been influenced by the story of the Garden of Eden.<br />
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"It all began when the Chimt rose from the Murky Bog and the Utwig emerged as well." <-> animals and humans were created.<br />
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"Meanwhile, the tendrils of the Chimt infiltrated the vast sky canopies of Fahz and then the veils fell!" <-> The serpent messed with the minds of the first humans.<br />
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"Suddenly, the Utwig were stunned by a collective realization!" <-> Realisation after eating from the tree of wisdom.<br />
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"All immediately and urgently donned veils of every description!" <-> The humans felt they needed to cover themselves.<br />
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&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 14:54, 19 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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== moving chimt section to its own article ==<br />
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I've been perusing the wanted pages list and noticed that one of them is for '''Chimt'''. In all honesty, the section [[Utwig#Who are the Chimt]] does a pretty good summation of what we know and imho could be moved over to its own page, maybe with a little bit of tweaking. It would be short article, but would allow for easy access if someone types in Chimt since we can't redirect to sections of an article. Thoughts? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 08:01, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Oh, frell it. I know it hasn't been too long since the post above, but the more I think about it, the more I like it...so I'm just going to do it. What's the worst that could happen, someone revert me and tell me I'm wrong? I think I can live with that. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 11 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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==Masks==<br />
Query: Identify location of images of Utwig masks. Directive: Transfer to this article. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 19:26, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:I don't believe we have images of any of the masks except the "mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame" (the one all Utwig captains wear during the game), since all the other masks were destroyed when the Ultron broke:<br />
::''All Utwig immediately donned the mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame with a vow to wear it forever! Bonfires all over Fahz consumed all but this mask; no other mask was spared!''<br />
:Most of the other utiwg dialog that talks about the other masks seems to back this up. There is one bit of dialog that doesn't fit with this though:<br />
::''We have returned from a conflict of a grand scale with our fleet battered but our <u>masks of Valor and Derring-Do</u> fitting snugly!''<br />
:but, imho, this is likely just be an idiomatic phrase. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:17, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Query: After Ultron repair Utwig masks remade. Directive: Affirim or negate. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 01:58, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:Eventually yes, and if you believe the ending credits, that was to happen two days after the end of the game. I've gone through most of the utwig dialog and can't find any reference to them actually wearing anything else. Instead, the utwig captains make references to wanting to don the appropriate masks but are unable (presumeably b/c they were all destroyed). Additionally, the return of the Ultron precipitates a mask etiquette reform/re-adjustment, likely further delaying a return to mask-normalcy. Of course, I might have missed something, so do you have reason to believe otherwise? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 02:25, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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::Reply: SC3 Utwig wear mask of Determined Colenization in Support of Galatic Integrity. Observation: SC3 not considered canon. Frustration: AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! *Floats around in circles* [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 03:27, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:::I this case, I'm with Dak here. While SC3 isn't usually considered canonical, why ''wouldn't'' the Utwig have a Mask of Determined Colonization in Support of Galactic Integrity, or something to that effect? I seem to remember the Mask of Steely Determination in there as well, which is a far more logical mask to see exist in Utwig culture. [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 05:18, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::TFB decides what's part of their universe. It's not a matter of whether something would make sense in the SC2 universe. SC3 material is not regarded any more canon than fan fiction is. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 17:01, 14 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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::::alright. I was mostly seeing if Dak's frustration could be alleviated a touch, but I guess accuracy is far more important. Sorry, Dak! [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 14:12, 19 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Ultimate and Universal ==<br />
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Alright Val, before we get into a total edit war - I thought I had come up with a reasonable compromise, but your recent edit totally destroyed any semblance of compromise - here are the relevant statements (PC version, I don't think it changes much in 3DO/UQM):<br />
<br />
"The Universal"<br />
* The Ultron was the only thing which assured total and complete meaning of life for you and me. It was Universal; I'm sure that you are also aware of this if only in legend!<br />
* It assured total and complete meaning of life for All -- the Universal!<br />
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"The Ultimate"<br />
*The Ultron moans and hums! Matters of significance are being relayed to our brains. It has been so long since we communicated with the Ultimate in such a manner but slowly, the truth is revealed!!...<br />
*Hmm... a reasonable request. Give us a second while we consult the Ultimate. The Ultron confirms the evidence of our ocularities<br />
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Now, IMO, there is no clear statement saying the Ultron is the Ultimate/Universal, though I can see how that interpretation is taken from these statements. The other interpretation (the one that you took completely out of my compromise phrasing) is that the Ultimate/Universal is what the Ultron allows access to. Since maybe you're not seeing how I get this interpretation, I'll explain it here. For the Universal statements, it's not clear what "the Universal" refers back to, it could be the Ultron (your interpretation) or the total and complete meaning of life for All, ie the universal knowledge (my interpretation). Also, for the Ultimate phrases, it's telling IMO that they don't use the word "Ultron" even though they use it immediately before or after, which leads me to believe that the two aren't quite synonomous and makes me interpret the Ultimate to be, again, that universal knowledge, that Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything <small>(42!)</small>. Does this make sense? Now I know you invoked the idea of hypostasis, but like I said, I'm a nontrinitarian christian, so I've never had to deal with that philosophy/idea to understand God. Maybe it is similar, but for me, this alternative interpretation draws a distinct line between the Ultron device and the Universal Knowledge the Ultron allows access to. Lacking a definitive statement (and comments from others), both interpretations should be present - though maybe this discussion/interpretations should be explained over on the Ultron page. The paragraph in question was originally intended to demonstrate the Utwig obsession with destiny, and this is getting a wee bit far afield of that topic so maybe after a bit of thought I might go down that road. But in the meantime, I'm reinstating a form of the compromise language. If you're going to tweak, fine, but please leave the compromise in instead of totally removing the interpretation you don't agree with/understand. Thanks. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:06, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, so that was a compromise... I think I didn't get it. Anyway, about the quotes: In the 3DO version the first "The Universal" quote is more clear:<br />
::''The Ultron was '''not only''' the thing which assures total and complete meaning of life for you and I''<br />
::''it is Universal; I'm sure that you too are aware of this thing if only in legend!''<br />
::''It granted us all limitless power and knowledge.''<br />
::''It has been since, well, rendered inoperative.''<br />
:Even the DOS quote doesn't seem so ambiguous, since "It" (in "It was Universal") can't replace "total and complete meaning of life", as in such a case "this thing" is rather used (in cases when the object you replace is the last object you mentioned).<br />
:The Ultimate, however, is ambiguous, indeed; it may refer to the destiny (personified), for example. Though it doesn't make sense to introduce new entities when the old ones will do (Occam's Razor again, this time by my side!). You could use my argument (that in this case the most interesting interpretation should prevail, not the simplest one), but it just doesn't seem likely that PR3/FF thought of the word "the Ultimate" as a name for destiny rather than the Ultron. Doesn't ''seem''. Though... I don't know... [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 13:45, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Utwig Importance ==<br />
Is it not possible that the Ultron, being the Appendages of Dawn, actually does give the Utwig a sight beyond sight into all things important? With that said, is it not possible that the Utwig are not exaggerating their galactic importance, but have actually become very important due to their possession of the Ultron?<br />
<br />
This is mere speculation, but one might even go as far as to say that the Ultron allowed itself to be dropped and broken, as the Captain's journey to find the parts to repair the Ultron brought several other things into motion and allowed the Captain to gain the trust of the Supox and Utwig, therefore gaining access to the bomb that would, after modification, destroy the Sa Matra, as well as the combined fleets delaying the Kohr-Ah for an entire year.<br />
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Just some ideas. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 19:47, 4 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:1. The Utwig are emo, and emo people always say that they are very important, but that nobody pays them any attention.<br />
:2. I've edited now to make it clearer - I was talking about the Bomb too. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 09:31, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::You're not providing anything to back up your claims. All sources on the bomb state that the bomb is significantly powerful, and the Starbase Commander advises you to perform any experiments with the bomb several AU away from the station. That's astronomical units, the distance from the Earth to the center of the sun. This is an extremely powerful bomb and I find it very likely that the Utwig were not exaggerating its destructive potential at all. The only thing that possibly stood a chance against it was a Precursor battle platform, a warship. The Utwig bomb very well might have destroyed it on its own, but the Chmmr didn't want to take any chances and grossly amplified the power of the bomb..<br />
::Also, stating that the Utwig are "emo" and that "emo people always say..." is an awful generalization and is highly circumstantial. I find the Utwig to be rather big-headed about their possession of the Ultron and their insight into things through it, but they've shown they can back up their claims. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 18:12, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:::(re emo) I was in a bad mood over the Utwig voice when I stated that they're emo; in anger, I said something which in fact I don't believe at all.<br />
:::(re powerful bomb) I've also included the Sa-Matra now. Also, about the Bomb - the Chmmr are in the best position to speak about the Bomb, and they say that "if you had activated it, the weapon would have annihilated your ship and everything else within five hundred kilometers". To reduce a moon-sized object to particulate dust-clouds (even a Deimos-sized moon &mdash; ah, and keep in mind that Deimos is not moon-sized, nor is Phobos) requires a lot of energy &mdash; "everything else", here, probably refers to ships and similar objects, since even asteroids are much more difficult to destroy even if they are small.<br />
:::Anyway, I've recently worded it in another way, with "seem to". This should do the trick. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 20:24, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::::So, according to the Chmmr, the unmodified Utwig bomb has an annihilation sphere of 500 km radius, or 1000 km diameter. Let's consider the nature of an explosion. Even assuming that this bomb only has an annihilation zone and there are no further effects from the bomb itself beyond this barrier, or that 1000km radius is not considered moon-sized, you have to take into mind the further devastating effects this bomb would have on a hunk of rock in space. In space, an explosion causes a fireball and a hail of debris that escaped vaporization. On a large solid hunk of rock, however, there is a shockwave that rips through the solid material of the rock.<br />
::::Let's say you detonated the Utwig bomb on Io, a moon with an average diameter of close to 3600 km. Detonate the bomb on the surface and you've put a 500km deep hemispherical crater on Io, almost a third of the way to its center. It doesn't just stop there, however. The shockwave from that explosion rips through Io, reducing the moon to rubble. Blast a huge hole in Io first then drop the bomb down it... well that just makes it so much worse.<br />
::::How about Uranus' moon Europa? Half the diameter of Io, but definitely moon-sized. And there are even smaller moons than Europa but still magnitudes larger than Phobos and Deimos. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 00:53, 6 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Utwig&diff=18262Talk:Utwig2007-07-05T16:12:47Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I remember hearing something from these guys about in their early days, they and some race called the Chimt rose from the swamps on Fahz, and the Chimt's tendrils made the veils fall, whatever that entails. Perhaps these should be mentioned, or at least the Chimt have some sort of mention here?<br />
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:I agree, this article can be expanded, I think it's somewhere on my mental list of things to do. There's a lot more information that could be included about the Utwig history and culture that needs to go here. If no one gets to it soon, feel free to go at it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 19:38, 16 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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:Alright, i'll have a shot at it now. I'm the same guy BTW, I just felt it was only proper to register. --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 17 February 2006<br />
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::Nice work on the [[Utwig]] history section. Much better than anything I could have done. I hope you don't mind the edits I made to it - if you've got questions on any of those edits, feel free to ask. One piece that I removed but I'm curious about is you said the bomb was found on Delta Aquarii. I don't recall a reference for this, but maybe I missed it. Do you remember where you got this comment from? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:49, 18 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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::Gah, is that the wrong system? I thought it was in Aquarii along with Fahz.. Anyhow, I got interrupted and then sidetracked and then.. sorrrt of kind of fell asleep >_>" So i'm gonna have another stab at the article now - and no, I don't mind changes at all =) --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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There, I think i'm just about done now, unless you can think of anythin else that needs to go in --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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The story of the Chimt may have been influenced by the story of the Garden of Eden.<br />
<br />
"It all began when the Chimt rose from the Murky Bog and the Utwig emerged as well." <-> animals and humans were created.<br />
<br />
"Meanwhile, the tendrils of the Chimt infiltrated the vast sky canopies of Fahz and then the veils fell!" <-> The serpent messed with the minds of the first humans.<br />
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"Suddenly, the Utwig were stunned by a collective realization!" <-> Realisation after eating from the tree of wisdom.<br />
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"All immediately and urgently donned veils of every description!" <-> The humans felt they needed to cover themselves.<br />
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&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 14:54, 19 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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== moving chimt section to its own article ==<br />
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I've been perusing the wanted pages list and noticed that one of them is for '''Chimt'''. In all honesty, the section [[Utwig#Who are the Chimt]] does a pretty good summation of what we know and imho could be moved over to its own page, maybe with a little bit of tweaking. It would be short article, but would allow for easy access if someone types in Chimt since we can't redirect to sections of an article. Thoughts? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 08:01, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Oh, frell it. I know it hasn't been too long since the post above, but the more I think about it, the more I like it...so I'm just going to do it. What's the worst that could happen, someone revert me and tell me I'm wrong? I think I can live with that. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 11 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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==Masks==<br />
Query: Identify location of images of Utwig masks. Directive: Transfer to this article. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 19:26, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:I don't believe we have images of any of the masks except the "mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame" (the one all Utwig captains wear during the game), since all the other masks were destroyed when the Ultron broke:<br />
::''All Utwig immediately donned the mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame with a vow to wear it forever! Bonfires all over Fahz consumed all but this mask; no other mask was spared!''<br />
:Most of the other utiwg dialog that talks about the other masks seems to back this up. There is one bit of dialog that doesn't fit with this though:<br />
::''We have returned from a conflict of a grand scale with our fleet battered but our <u>masks of Valor and Derring-Do</u> fitting snugly!''<br />
:but, imho, this is likely just be an idiomatic phrase. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:17, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Query: After Ultron repair Utwig masks remade. Directive: Affirim or negate. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 01:58, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:Eventually yes, and if you believe the ending credits, that was to happen two days after the end of the game. I've gone through most of the utwig dialog and can't find any reference to them actually wearing anything else. Instead, the utwig captains make references to wanting to don the appropriate masks but are unable (presumeably b/c they were all destroyed). Additionally, the return of the Ultron precipitates a mask etiquette reform/re-adjustment, likely further delaying a return to mask-normalcy. Of course, I might have missed something, so do you have reason to believe otherwise? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 02:25, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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::Reply: SC3 Utwig wear mask of Determined Colenization in Support of Galatic Integrity. Observation: SC3 not considered canon. Frustration: AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! *Floats around in circles* [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 03:27, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:::I this case, I'm with Dak here. While SC3 isn't usually considered canonical, why ''wouldn't'' the Utwig have a Mask of Determined Colonization in Support of Galactic Integrity, or something to that effect? I seem to remember the Mask of Steely Determination in there as well, which is a far more logical mask to see exist in Utwig culture. [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 05:18, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::TFB decides what's part of their universe. It's not a matter of whether something would make sense in the SC2 universe. SC3 material is not regarded any more canon than fan fiction is. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 17:01, 14 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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::::alright. I was mostly seeing if Dak's frustration could be alleviated a touch, but I guess accuracy is far more important. Sorry, Dak! [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 14:12, 19 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Ultimate and Universal ==<br />
<br />
Alright Val, before we get into a total edit war - I thought I had come up with a reasonable compromise, but your recent edit totally destroyed any semblance of compromise - here are the relevant statements (PC version, I don't think it changes much in 3DO/UQM):<br />
<br />
"The Universal"<br />
* The Ultron was the only thing which assured total and complete meaning of life for you and me. It was Universal; I'm sure that you are also aware of this if only in legend!<br />
* It assured total and complete meaning of life for All -- the Universal!<br />
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"The Ultimate"<br />
*The Ultron moans and hums! Matters of significance are being relayed to our brains. It has been so long since we communicated with the Ultimate in such a manner but slowly, the truth is revealed!!...<br />
*Hmm... a reasonable request. Give us a second while we consult the Ultimate. The Ultron confirms the evidence of our ocularities<br />
<br />
Now, IMO, there is no clear statement saying the Ultron is the Ultimate/Universal, though I can see how that interpretation is taken from these statements. The other interpretation (the one that you took completely out of my compromise phrasing) is that the Ultimate/Universal is what the Ultron allows access to. Since maybe you're not seeing how I get this interpretation, I'll explain it here. For the Universal statements, it's not clear what "the Universal" refers back to, it could be the Ultron (your interpretation) or the total and complete meaning of life for All, ie the universal knowledge (my interpretation). Also, for the Ultimate phrases, it's telling IMO that they don't use the word "Ultron" even though they use it immediately before or after, which leads me to believe that the two aren't quite synonomous and makes me interpret the Ultimate to be, again, that universal knowledge, that Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything <small>(42!)</small>. Does this make sense? Now I know you invoked the idea of hypostasis, but like I said, I'm a nontrinitarian christian, so I've never had to deal with that philosophy/idea to understand God. Maybe it is similar, but for me, this alternative interpretation draws a distinct line between the Ultron device and the Universal Knowledge the Ultron allows access to. Lacking a definitive statement (and comments from others), both interpretations should be present - though maybe this discussion/interpretations should be explained over on the Ultron page. The paragraph in question was originally intended to demonstrate the Utwig obsession with destiny, and this is getting a wee bit far afield of that topic so maybe after a bit of thought I might go down that road. But in the meantime, I'm reinstating a form of the compromise language. If you're going to tweak, fine, but please leave the compromise in instead of totally removing the interpretation you don't agree with/understand. Thanks. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:06, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, so that was a compromise... I think I didn't get it. Anyway, about the quotes: In the 3DO version the first "The Universal" quote is more clear:<br />
::''The Ultron was '''not only''' the thing which assures total and complete meaning of life for you and I''<br />
::''it is Universal; I'm sure that you too are aware of this thing if only in legend!''<br />
::''It granted us all limitless power and knowledge.''<br />
::''It has been since, well, rendered inoperative.''<br />
:Even the DOS quote doesn't seem so ambiguous, since "It" (in "It was Universal") can't replace "total and complete meaning of life", as in such a case "this thing" is rather used (in cases when the object you replace is the last object you mentioned).<br />
:The Ultimate, however, is ambiguous, indeed; it may refer to the destiny (personified), for example. Though it doesn't make sense to introduce new entities when the old ones will do (Occam's Razor again, this time by my side!). You could use my argument (that in this case the most interesting interpretation should prevail, not the simplest one), but it just doesn't seem likely that PR3/FF thought of the word "the Ultimate" as a name for destiny rather than the Ultron. Doesn't ''seem''. Though... I don't know... [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 13:45, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Utwig Importance ==<br />
Is it not possible that the Ultron, being the Appendages of Dawn, actually does give the Utwig a sight beyond sight into all things important? With that said, is it not possible that the Utwig are not exaggerating their galactic importance, but have actually become very important due to their possession of the Ultron?<br />
<br />
This is mere speculation, but one might even go as far as to say that the Ultron allowed itself to be dropped and broken, as the Captain's journey to find the parts to repair the Ultron brought several other things into motion and allowed the Captain to gain the trust of the Supox and Utwig, therefore gaining access to the bomb that would, after modification, destroy the Sa Matra, as well as the combined fleets delaying the Kohr-Ah for an entire year.<br />
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Just some ideas. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 19:47, 4 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:1. The Utwig are emo, and emo people always say that they are very important, but that nobody pays them any attention.<br />
:2. I've edited now to make it clearer - I was talking about the Bomb too. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 09:31, 5 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
::You're not providing anything to back up your claims. All sources on the bomb state that the bomb is significantly powerful, and the Starbase Commander advises you to perform any experiments with the bomb several AU away from the station. That's astronomical units, the distance from the Earth to the center of the sun. This is an extremely powerful bomb and I find it very likely that the Utwig were not exaggerating its destructive potential at all. The only thing that possibly stood a chance against it was a Precursor battle platform, a warship. The Utwig bomb very well might have destroyed it on its own, but the Chmmr didn't want to take any chances and grossly amplified the power of the bomb..<br />
::Also, stating that the Utwig are "emo" and that "emo people always say..." is an awful generalization and is highly circumstantial. I find the Utwig to be rather big-headed about their possession of the Ultron and their insight into things through it, but they've shown they can back up their claims. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 18:12, 5 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Utwig&diff=18234Talk:Utwig2007-07-04T17:47:37Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I remember hearing something from these guys about in their early days, they and some race called the Chimt rose from the swamps on Fahz, and the Chimt's tendrils made the veils fall, whatever that entails. Perhaps these should be mentioned, or at least the Chimt have some sort of mention here?<br />
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:I agree, this article can be expanded, I think it's somewhere on my mental list of things to do. There's a lot more information that could be included about the Utwig history and culture that needs to go here. If no one gets to it soon, feel free to go at it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 19:38, 16 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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:Alright, i'll have a shot at it now. I'm the same guy BTW, I just felt it was only proper to register. --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 17 February 2006<br />
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::Nice work on the [[Utwig]] history section. Much better than anything I could have done. I hope you don't mind the edits I made to it - if you've got questions on any of those edits, feel free to ask. One piece that I removed but I'm curious about is you said the bomb was found on Delta Aquarii. I don't recall a reference for this, but maybe I missed it. Do you remember where you got this comment from? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:49, 18 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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::Gah, is that the wrong system? I thought it was in Aquarii along with Fahz.. Anyhow, I got interrupted and then sidetracked and then.. sorrrt of kind of fell asleep >_>" So i'm gonna have another stab at the article now - and no, I don't mind changes at all =) --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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There, I think i'm just about done now, unless you can think of anythin else that needs to go in --[[User:Luminar|Luminar]], 18 February 2006<br />
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The story of the Chimt may have been influenced by the story of the Garden of Eden.<br />
<br />
"It all began when the Chimt rose from the Murky Bog and the Utwig emerged as well." <-> animals and humans were created.<br />
<br />
"Meanwhile, the tendrils of the Chimt infiltrated the vast sky canopies of Fahz and then the veils fell!" <-> The serpent messed with the minds of the first humans.<br />
<br />
"Suddenly, the Utwig were stunned by a collective realization!" <-> Realisation after eating from the tree of wisdom.<br />
<br />
"All immediately and urgently donned veils of every description!" <-> The humans felt they needed to cover themselves.<br />
<br />
&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 14:54, 19 February 2006 (CET)<br />
<br />
== moving chimt section to its own article ==<br />
<br />
I've been perusing the wanted pages list and noticed that one of them is for '''Chimt'''. In all honesty, the section [[Utwig#Who are the Chimt]] does a pretty good summation of what we know and imho could be moved over to its own page, maybe with a little bit of tweaking. It would be short article, but would allow for easy access if someone types in Chimt since we can't redirect to sections of an article. Thoughts? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 08:01, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Oh, frell it. I know it hasn't been too long since the post above, but the more I think about it, the more I like it...so I'm just going to do it. What's the worst that could happen, someone revert me and tell me I'm wrong? I think I can live with that. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 11 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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==Masks==<br />
Query: Identify location of images of Utwig masks. Directive: Transfer to this article. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 19:26, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:I don't believe we have images of any of the masks except the "mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame" (the one all Utwig captains wear during the game), since all the other masks were destroyed when the Ultron broke:<br />
::''All Utwig immediately donned the mask of Ultimate Embarrassment and Shame with a vow to wear it forever! Bonfires all over Fahz consumed all but this mask; no other mask was spared!''<br />
:Most of the other utiwg dialog that talks about the other masks seems to back this up. There is one bit of dialog that doesn't fit with this though:<br />
::''We have returned from a conflict of a grand scale with our fleet battered but our <u>masks of Valor and Derring-Do</u> fitting snugly!''<br />
:but, imho, this is likely just be an idiomatic phrase. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:17, 16 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Query: After Ultron repair Utwig masks remade. Directive: Affirim or negate. [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 01:58, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
<br />
:Eventually yes, and if you believe the ending credits, that was to happen two days after the end of the game. I've gone through most of the utwig dialog and can't find any reference to them actually wearing anything else. Instead, the utwig captains make references to wanting to don the appropriate masks but are unable (presumeably b/c they were all destroyed). Additionally, the return of the Ultron precipitates a mask etiquette reform/re-adjustment, likely further delaying a return to mask-normalcy. Of course, I might have missed something, so do you have reason to believe otherwise? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 02:25, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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::Reply: SC3 Utwig wear mask of Determined Colenization in Support of Galatic Integrity. Observation: SC3 not considered canon. Frustration: AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! *Floats around in circles* [[User:Daktaklakpak|Daktaklakpak]] 03:27, 17 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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:::I this case, I'm with Dak here. While SC3 isn't usually considered canonical, why ''wouldn't'' the Utwig have a Mask of Determined Colonization in Support of Galactic Integrity, or something to that effect? I seem to remember the Mask of Steely Determination in there as well, which is a far more logical mask to see exist in Utwig culture. [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 05:18, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::TFB decides what's part of their universe. It's not a matter of whether something would make sense in the SC2 universe. SC3 material is not regarded any more canon than fan fiction is. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 17:01, 14 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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::::alright. I was mostly seeing if Dak's frustration could be alleviated a touch, but I guess accuracy is far more important. Sorry, Dak! [[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 14:12, 19 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Ultimate and Universal ==<br />
<br />
Alright Val, before we get into a total edit war - I thought I had come up with a reasonable compromise, but your recent edit totally destroyed any semblance of compromise - here are the relevant statements (PC version, I don't think it changes much in 3DO/UQM):<br />
<br />
"The Universal"<br />
* The Ultron was the only thing which assured total and complete meaning of life for you and me. It was Universal; I'm sure that you are also aware of this if only in legend!<br />
* It assured total and complete meaning of life for All -- the Universal!<br />
<br />
"The Ultimate"<br />
*The Ultron moans and hums! Matters of significance are being relayed to our brains. It has been so long since we communicated with the Ultimate in such a manner but slowly, the truth is revealed!!...<br />
*Hmm... a reasonable request. Give us a second while we consult the Ultimate. The Ultron confirms the evidence of our ocularities<br />
<br />
Now, IMO, there is no clear statement saying the Ultron is the Ultimate/Universal, though I can see how that interpretation is taken from these statements. The other interpretation (the one that you took completely out of my compromise phrasing) is that the Ultimate/Universal is what the Ultron allows access to. Since maybe you're not seeing how I get this interpretation, I'll explain it here. For the Universal statements, it's not clear what "the Universal" refers back to, it could be the Ultron (your interpretation) or the total and complete meaning of life for All, ie the universal knowledge (my interpretation). Also, for the Ultimate phrases, it's telling IMO that they don't use the word "Ultron" even though they use it immediately before or after, which leads me to believe that the two aren't quite synonomous and makes me interpret the Ultimate to be, again, that universal knowledge, that Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything <small>(42!)</small>. Does this make sense? Now I know you invoked the idea of hypostasis, but like I said, I'm a nontrinitarian christian, so I've never had to deal with that philosophy/idea to understand God. Maybe it is similar, but for me, this alternative interpretation draws a distinct line between the Ultron device and the Universal Knowledge the Ultron allows access to. Lacking a definitive statement (and comments from others), both interpretations should be present - though maybe this discussion/interpretations should be explained over on the Ultron page. The paragraph in question was originally intended to demonstrate the Utwig obsession with destiny, and this is getting a wee bit far afield of that topic so maybe after a bit of thought I might go down that road. But in the meantime, I'm reinstating a form of the compromise language. If you're going to tweak, fine, but please leave the compromise in instead of totally removing the interpretation you don't agree with/understand. Thanks. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:06, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, so that was a compromise... I think I didn't get it. Anyway, about the quotes: In the 3DO version the first "The Universal" quote is more clear:<br />
::''The Ultron was '''not only''' the thing which assures total and complete meaning of life for you and I''<br />
::''it is Universal; I'm sure that you too are aware of this thing if only in legend!''<br />
::''It granted us all limitless power and knowledge.''<br />
::''It has been since, well, rendered inoperative.''<br />
:Even the DOS quote doesn't seem so ambiguous, since "It" (in "It was Universal") can't replace "total and complete meaning of life", as in such a case "this thing" is rather used (in cases when the object you replace is the last object you mentioned).<br />
:The Ultimate, however, is ambiguous, indeed; it may refer to the destiny (personified), for example. Though it doesn't make sense to introduce new entities when the old ones will do (Occam's Razor again, this time by my side!). You could use my argument (that in this case the most interesting interpretation should prevail, not the simplest one), but it just doesn't seem likely that PR3/FF thought of the word "the Ultimate" as a name for destiny rather than the Ultron. Doesn't ''seem''. Though... I don't know... [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 13:45, 20 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Utwig Importance ==<br />
Is it not possible that the Ultron, being the Appendages of Dawn, actually does give the Utwig a sight beyond sight into all things important? With that said, is it not possible that the Utwig are not exaggerating their galactic importance, but have actually become very important due to their possession of the Ultron?<br />
<br />
This is mere speculation, but one might even go as far as to say that the Ultron allowed itself to be dropped and broken, as the Captain's journey to find the parts to repair the Ultron brought several other things into motion and allowed the Captain to gain the trust of the Supox and Utwig, therefore gaining access to the bomb that would, after modification, destroy the Sa Matra, as well as the combined fleets delaying the Kohr-Ah for an entire year.<br />
<br />
Just some ideas. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 19:47, 4 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:MASER&diff=18233Talk:MASER2007-07-04T17:35:27Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I don't know... is there a reason for having an article for this? I know Gaea's reasoning was that it is a weapon used by the Androsynth... but it was probably an ad-hoc improvisation (their ships don't use this anymore). And we don't know anything about those weapons except when and where they used them, which is harder to understand outside of the context of the Androsynth article. And after all we don't have an article about each ship's primary and secondary. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 08:42, 4 July 2007 (CEST)<br />
:Instead of having a seperate article that is linked to from one page, why don't we just have a wikipedia link on that one page? --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 19:35, 4 July 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Crew_Pod&diff=18201Crew Pod2007-07-02T05:23:52Z<p>24.117.122.78: Some grammatical changes.</p>
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<div>[[Image:Crew_pod_module.png|right]]<br />
The '''Crew Pod''' modules are used to house crew members for manpower in battles, [[lander]] crews of planetary exploration missions and, if one opts, slave trade with the [[Druuge]]. These modules are composed of living quarters and extra life-support equipment and can support up to 50 crew members per module. Crew Pods cost 2000 [[Resource units|RU]] each, and it is recommended that [[The Flagship]] have at least one pod at all times, lest [[The Captain]] is the only one aboard the ship.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Crew cost]]<br />
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[[Category:Flagship Modules]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Thraddash&diff=18200Thraddash2007-07-02T05:19:57Z<p>24.117.122.78: Small grammatical correction.</p>
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<div>{{RaceBox|name=Thraddash|image=Thradd_comm.png|caption=A typical Thraddash starship captain|homeworld=[[Delta Draconis I]]|coordinates=253.5 : 835.8|organizations=[[Ur-Quan Hierarchy]] ([[battle thrall]]),<br> [[New Alliance of Free Stars]] (optional)|ship=[[Torch]]}}<br />
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The '''Thraddash''' are a race of intellectually challenged barbarians from the Draconis stars.<br />
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==Physiology and Psychology==<br />
The Thraddash look like bipedal, plated, hornless rhinocerii, with tough muscled arms and a mean temper. The Thraddash talk tough and act even tougher, usually smoking cigars in their cockpits. They have little or no respect for anything aside from force, which they admire greatly. One could say that the Thraddash resemble an alien biker-gang from outer space.<br />
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==History==<br />
Thraddash history has witnessed the rise and fall of 18 different planetary cultures. Each time their culture reached a certain point a new ideology for a more perfect culture arrived, and they fought a bitter war eventually blasting themselves back usually 500 years in development, and started a new culture from scratch. <br />
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From their conversations with [[The Captain]], we can glean some of the more interesting aspects of previous Thraddash Cultures. <br />
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===Culture Two===<br />
The earliest Culture mentioned by the Thraddash was Culture Two. Little is known of Culture Two, except that they glorified fortitude and stoic resistance to pain.<br />
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===Culture Three===<br />
Threatened by the virtues extolled by Culture Two, Culture Three demonstrated the dominance of their culture by brutalizing ''themselves''. A common tactic used by Culture Three armies was to position themselves on higher ground, cut off one of their limbs and wave them threateningly at their enemies. This tactic was apparently effective in sapping the morale of their enemies, causing them to turn and flee. As a result of this, the status of Culture Three war veterans was determined by the number of limbs they had remaining. Thraddash captains note that the war parades were much more interesting, since the heroes did not walk, but rolled &mdash; "and at a pretty good clip!"<br />
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===Culture Nine===<br />
The most important single artifact common to all Thraddash cultures is the [[Aqua Helix]]. Culture Nine was the first (and only) culture to question its significance. Culture Nine considered excessive the amount of blood and passion expended over the artifact. Unfortunately, their complete defeat at the hands of Culture Ten after only two weeks of dominance only reinforced the Thraddash belief in the sanctity of the Aqua Helix.<br />
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===Culture Twelve===<br />
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Culture Twelve is the Thraddash example for extreme hostility. It is said that before Culture Twelve's first great battle, [[Jugkah]] the Battlemaster accidentally stepped on [[Gnusko]] the tactician's foot. This prompted Gnusko to summarily slice Jugkah in half. This rash act, however, spelled doom for Gnusko as Jugkah's troops proceeded to decimate him and his elite guard. As Gnusko's forces were defeated, the late Jugkah's Master Sergeants [[Muuhd]] and [[Pudt]] got into an argument over the method for Gnusko's execution, on whether to use crucifixion or the more painful "Lead Tattoo" technique. The argument was resolved in a characteristically Thraddash fashion when Pudt and his command slaughtered Muuhd and his 500 troops. <br />
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These events, however, led to the end of Culture Twelve. Their original enemy, [[Yajag]], surprised the remnants of Jugkah's army and proceeded to annihilate it, paving the way for the establishment of Culture Thirteen.<br />
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===Culture Fourteen===<br />
Culture Fourteen is the second Culture to question traditional Thraddash values. Shortly after achieving dominance, Culture Fourteen claimed that the Thraddash method of cultural evolution was wrong. They claimed that every inter-Culture conflict set the Thraddash back 500 years. As with Culture Nine, Thraddash tradition again proved itself immune to change as Culture Fourteen was destroyed by Culture Fifteen after a reign of only ten years. Interestingly enough, the violence ensuing from Culture Fourteen's replacement only set the Thraddash back by "two, three hundred years tops", hence disproving Culture Fourteen's main tenet.<br />
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===Culture Sixteen===<br />
Again, little is known of Culture Sixteen, except that they were considered by the Thraddash as "sneaky and deceptive."<br />
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===Culture Eighteen===<br />
Culture Eighteen was the dominant Thraddash culture when the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] invaded. Their swift defeat by the Ur-Quan put their superiority into question, and an attempt for a resolution was made by the means of a thermonuclear exchange. The Ur-Quan in orbit around the Thraddash homeworld did not allow such intra-species fighting, and intercepted all of the warheads with their fighter vessels. <br />
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The Ur-Quan's intervention, however, only postponed the inevitable. Shortly after the failed thermonuclear weapon exchange, Culture Eighteen's challengers introduced a super-lethal poison into the air and water, ending its reign.<br />
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===Culture Nineteen===<br />
After the poisoning of Culture Eighteen, the Ur-Quan executed all of the emerging Culture's leaders, and arbitrarily assigned leaders to rule over the Thraddash. The Ur-Quan then explained that any further violations of the Slave Laws will be punished by the eradication of the Thraddash species. Thus started Culture Nineteen.<br />
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Culture Nineteen elected to become [[Battle Thralls]] upon being enslaved by the Ur-Quan. As such, they expected to be part of the Ur-Quan's offensive in our region of space. Their relative military weakness, however, as well as their predisposition to pick fights with other slave races, especially the [[Umgah]] and [[Ilwrath]], made the Ur-Quan decide that they would be more of a liability than an asset in the coming battles, and ordered them to "guard the flank." The modern Thraddash have improved their [[Torch]] ships with an effective [[Reeunk]] Afterburner (named after its creator), and are itching to prove their worth to the Ur-Quan.<br />
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Culture Nineteen is the Thraddash Culture first encountered by [[The Captain]].<br />
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===Culture Twenty===<br />
:''The form and the existence of this culture is based entirely on the player's choices''<br />
[[The Captain]], after showing his superior military might to the Thraddash by killing at least 25 of their ships, is recognized by them as their "Great Teacher" and guides the formation of a new Culture.<br />
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The player has the following possible choices for this new Culture:<br />
====Introduction====<br />
First, the player chooses how the Thraddash should greet each ship that responds to their hailing calls.<br />
*'''Polite''': All Thraddash captains will greet with kindness and respect, including whether the other's wife-and-kids equivalent are well.<br />
*'''Pig latin''': All Thraddash captain will greet by speaking [[wikipedia:Pig Latin|pig latin]].<br />
*'''Rhyme''': All Thraddash captains will greet with a rhyme of their own composition. Examples are below.<br />
*'''Like me''': The Thraddash captains will relentlessly ask questions about everyone, and when they do not get an answer, threaten to blast them into oblivion.<br />
====Name====<br />
The next part of setting up a new Thraddash culture is the name. The player has 3 options here:<br />
*'''Culture 20''' is achieved by letting the Thraddash choose their own name.<br />
*'''The Fat Obstreperous Jerks'''<br />
*'''The Glorious Slave Empire of [ [[The Captain]] ]'''<br />
====Culture====<br />
The final part is how the Thraddash will shape their 20th Culture.<br />
*'''Contemplative''': Contemplating does not suit the Thraddash, and it is hard for them to remain so for even more than one day, and even begin to break out into spots, but stick to it due to their certainty of their Great Teacher's wisdom.<br />
*'''Friendly''': "Treat every new person like they're your best friend"<br />
*'''Wacky''': Send them Monty Python and Marx Brothers videos to watch, and they will eventually discover slapstick comedy, which suits them very well.<br />
*'''Like Us''': The Thraddash culture will attempt to model themselves after Human culture.<br />
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===Future===<br />
The Captain's actions determine the fate of the Thraddash. If they are tricked into attacking the [[Kohr-Ah]], they will move towards the area of the [[Doctrinal Conflict]] and will lose half of their fleet. The casualties during this campaign will be 60% inflicted by the Kohr-Ah and 40% inflicted by the Ur-Quan, who presumably punish the Thraddash for again disobeying orders. If The Captain gains the respect of the Thraddash by destroying 25 of their ships, they will hail him as a model and will establish a new Culture, the direction of which is left entirely up to The Captain. If the Ilwrath are tricked to attack the Thraddash, then the Ilwrath will move towards Thraddash space, leading to a mutually destructive war that will eliminate both their fleets.<br />
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==Poetry==<br />
After The Captain directed the Thraddash to rhyme in their introductions to alien vessels, Thraddash culture found another channel of expression. The following examples provide an insight into the Thraddash psyche.<br />
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:''Blood is red, bruises are blue<br />
:''When strangers come here, we run them through!''<br />
:''HARG! HARG! HARG!''<br />
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:''There once was a Thraddash named Mak-Roni''<br />
:''whose ship was in total caco-phony''<br />
:''He got lost in Apodis''<br />
:''and died in Draconis''<br />
:''Because all that he ate was baloney!''<br />
:''HARG! HARG! HARG!''<br />
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:''Constantly moving are''<br />
:''space, stars, time''<br />
:''SNORT!''<br />
:''form not function''<br />
:''meets in death''<br />
:''remembered''<br />
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==Known individuals==<br />
*[[Chudd]]<br />
*[[Gnusko]]<br />
*[[Grah]]<br />
*[[Jugkah]]<br />
*[[Korgk]]<br />
*[[Muuhd]]<br />
*[[Pudt]]<br />
*[[Reeunk]]<br />
*[[Yajag]]<br />
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[[Category:Races]]<br />
[[Category:Thraddash| ]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Flagship_Energy_Management&diff=18199Flagship Energy Management2007-07-02T05:14:55Z<p>24.117.122.78: Some data restructuring</p>
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<div>==[[Combat Dynamo]]s vs [[Shiva Furnace]]s==<br />
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Even though the Shiva Furnaces are more advanced than your standard Combat Dynamos, it's not always a good idea to replace all your dynamos with them. Shiva Furnaces and Combat Dynamos actually don't do quite the same thing.<br />
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Dynamo Units affect the delay between recharge of your energy, while Shiva Furnaces affect the amount of energy gained each recharge. The energy regeneration counter starts at 10, and every Combat Dynamo adds -2, to a minimum of 4. (so having more than 3 dynamos is never useful). This counter specifies the number of frames in between recharges that there is no energy recharge.<br />
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The energy regenerated per recharge starts off at 1, and every Shiva Furnace adds +1.<br />
There's no maximum to the number of furnaces other than the number of free slots on your ship..<br />
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Put into a formula:<br><br />
<code>energy per time unit = (#furnaces + 1) / (1 + 10 - 2 * (min(#dynamos, 3)))</code><br />
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To get the fastest recharge rate for a given amount of RU, follow this guideline:<br />
*Under 4000 RU: 1 dynamo<br />
*4000-11999 RU: 1 furnace and 0-3 dynamos<br />
*12000-13999 RU: 2 furnaces and 2 dynamos<br />
*Over 14000 RU: 3 dynamos and 2-12 furnaces<br />
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To get the fastest recharge rate for a given number of available slots, follow this guideline:<br />
*4 or less: All furnaces<br />
*More than 4: 3 dynamos and 2-12 furnaces<br />
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The table below shows the average amount of energy generated per second:<br />
{|border=1<br />
!rowspan=2 colspan=2|&nbsp;!!align=center colspan=16|Shiva Furnaces<br />
|-<br />
!0!!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!9!!10!!11!!12!!13!!14!!15<br />
|-<br />
!align=center rowspan=16|Dynamos<br />
!&nbsp;0&nbsp;<br />
| 2.2|| 4.4|| 6.5|| 8.7||10.9||13.1||15.3||17.5||19.6||21.8||24.0||26.2||28.4||30.5||32.7||34.9<br />
|-<br />
!1<br />
| 2.7|| 5.3|| 8.0||10.7||13.3||16.0||18.7||21.3||24.0||26.7||29.3||32.0||34.7||37.3||40.0<br />
|-<br />
!2<br />
| 3.4|| 6.9||10.3||13.7||17.1||20.6||24.0||27.4||30.9||34.3||37.7||41.1||44.6||48.0<br />
|-<br />
!3<br />
| 4.8|| 9.6||14.4||19.2||24.0||28.8||33.6||38.4||43.2||48.0||52.8||57.6||62.4<br />
|}<br />
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Alternatively, here is a table of slots/dynamos:<br />
{|border=1<br />
!rowspan=2 colspan=2|&nbsp;!!align=center colspan=16|Slots used for energy regeneration modules<br />
|-<br />
!0!!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!9!!10!!11!!12!!13!!14!!15<br />
|-<br />
!align=center rowspan=16|Dynamos<br />
!&nbsp;0&nbsp;<br />
| 2.2|| 4.4|| 6.5|| 8.7||10.9||13.1||15.3||17.5||19.6||21.8||24.0||26.2||28.4||30.5||32.7||34.9<br />
|-<br />
!1<br />
| -|| 2.7|| 5.3|| 8.0||10.7||13.3||16.0||18.7||21.3||24.0||26.7||29.3||32.0||34.7||37.3||40.0<br />
|-<br />
!2<br />
| -|| -|| 3.4|| 6.9||10.3||13.7||17.1||20.6||24.0||27.4||30.9||34.3||37.7||41.1||44.6||48.0<br />
|-<br />
!3<br />
| -|| -|| -|| 4.8|| 9.6||14.4||19.2||24.0||28.8||33.6||38.4||43.2||48.0||52.8||57.6||62.4<br />
|}<br />
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[[Category:Game mechanics]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Influences_and_references&diff=18144Talk:Influences and references2007-06-27T18:42:39Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I've just read Roadside Picnic and I'm confused about why you regard the "Mosquito Mange" as an influence or reference. Was this something Fred and Paul said in a chat session? Is there something in Star Control II that is similar? I've thought about it and I fail to see the connection. Please enlighten.<br />
--[[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 00:59, 19 Jul 2005 (CEST)<br />
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That item was actually one to be researched further (which is why I put the question marks there). I haven't read the story myself yet, but it's been mentioned in the IRC channel as a possible origin of the "mosquito mange" expression which is used in SC2 when examining the Androsynth ruins: ":I see requests to the central computer for information -- data on `reality aberrations', the `Mosquito Mange' and, er, ghosts, poltergeists, and other malevolent supernatural creatures."<br />
-- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 04:23, 19 Jul 2005 (CEST)<br />
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For those who want to do some work on this page, there are two threads at the PNF boards, which have some more useful info. Be sure to verify these though, as some are plain wrong.<br />
*http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~starcontrol/forum/index.php?topic=53.0<br />
*http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~starcontrol/forum/index.php?topic=698.0<br />
-- SvdB 05:32, 19 Jul 2005 (CEST)<br />
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I've been doing some work on these references (mostly the names) and have put up the ones that seem the most likely given the context and time period. Here are a few more captain names that I wasn't sure enough on though:<br />
*'''Danning''' - Sybil Danning (mentioned on one of the PNF board threads)<br />
*'''Munro''' - Caroline Munro, famous scream queen<br />
*'''Decker''' - character from ST:TMP or Commodore Decker of USS Constellation in the Original Series ('The Doomsday Machine' episode)<br />
*'''Graeme''' - from characters in the Childe Cycle by Gordon R. Dickson (I've seen the characters' names also spelled Grahame so I'm not sure)<br />
*'''Alura''' - the only thing I found was Superman's mother. This might just be a word-play on 'Allure' <br />
*'''BOOJI-1''' - reference to [[wikipedia:Booji Boy|Booji Boy]] of Devo fame<br />
Are any of these reasonable enough to include on this page? Also, if there are any that I've already put up that you disagree with, we can discuss and edit as needs be - I won't take it too personally. Next on the my list is to parse the works of the authors they mention, looking for references and such. Of course if we have fans of these works, they'd be the first and best to find those.<br />
[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 04:59, 3 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:I think Alura was Supergirl's mother, not Superman's.-- [[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 11:02, 5 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::You're right - I slipped up on that one. Is there any other possible Alura reference/inpsiration? [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:23, 12 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:::I can't find any other. I think it would be safe to add it for now. [[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 03:54, 18 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:::My only qualms with adding this Alura reference is that it doesn't exactly fit the context. All the others are centrallish characters that tend to have certain qualities that match the Syreen image. Supergirl's mom simply seems like a flat, background character on the sidelines of the DC universe. Personally, of all the possible inspirations I've proposed I think that this one is the weakest (followed closely by penny). I did find a third potential inspiration: Princess Allura of [[wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]] fame. So the list of possibilities is:<br />
:::*Word play on allure<br />
:::*Supergirl's mother<br />
:::*Princess in Voltron<br />
:::*something else???<br />
:::How do we decide what can reasonably be stated as the reference/influence that Paul and Fred intended anyways? When I've been looking, my criteria has been the works of the explicitly stated authors, occuring before SC2's release, well known pop culture - usually sci-fi, uniqueness, and context. I think that we've probably nailed the majority of the captain names and other influences, but what about the cases, like Alura, where it's just a decent guess. My two cents is that we continue to express such uncertainties in the edits, reserving the more definitive statements for the surer references. That said, I think I'll add the rest of these references and see what happens. -- [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:56, 18 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::::Wow, Voltron! I loved that show as a kid. 20 years later and I can still remember the theme song (scary). Now that you bring it up, Princess Allura fits a lot better than Supergirl's mother. She was an important character and did command one of the lions after Sven left. If Chimchim is a reference to the pet in Speed Racer and if Kimba is also a reference to a character in Japanese animation (plus the fact that the entire Shofixti culture was based on the Japanese), this does form a pattern that one of the designers loved Japanese anime. It is possible they accidentally misspelled her name. Knowing this, I would put Princess Allura far ahead of Supergirl's mother (who, as you put it, wasn't that important a character).[[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 20:42, 18 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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Not to be a jerk or anything, but I'm removing the slylandro etymology remark until someone can provide an external reference for it, i.e. a greek dictionary showing slyl=sky. I remember seeing this over on the Androsynth page and it's rubbed me the wrong way ever since. And don't just point me to the threads on the forum because it's always the same person making this claim, and I'd like something a little more objective. Every greek dictionary I've looked at either has ouranos or aither as the the word for sky. So if you're a proponent of this, I'll gladly eat crow and repost it if you can back it up. [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 06:32, 19 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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===Princess Bride===<br />
The page for [[Tanaka]] contains the following text:<br />
"Trivia: His opening comments of 'you killed my father, my mother, my many brothers, all six of my sisters - prepare to die' are a homage to Inigo Montoya from 'The Princess Bride'". I personally wouldn't know about this so I'm not going to add it here. But if it is verified, it ''would'' belong on this page.<br />
-- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 08:54, 11 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:I might be able to vouch for this, having seen this movie innumerable times while growing up (and a few more times in my "adult" years). In all honesty, I can clearly remember being reminded of this movie when I saw this part of the game (and again when I heard it). I'll make the changes here and in the Tanaka page then. The line possibly being referenced can be found in the [[wikipedia:Count Rugen|Count Rugen]] article. [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:11, 12 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::I wasn't suggesting removing the trivia from the Tanaka page. I'd say it would belong in both. You don't think so? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 05:07, 12 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:::I guess I kind of jumped the gun there, but I was thinking about removing it from the Tanaka article before your comment. My thinking was that it is a reference/influence that really isn't critical to understanding who Tanaka is and what role he plays in the game. If the trivia appears on the Tanaka page also, then we should put the other trivia found here on the corresponding pages as well. I'd say that if the trivia contributes to our understanding of the original article (like the Androsynth's pink inverted triangle insignia) then it should be included there also; but otherwise, just keep it here. As I see it, this page is for all those quirky references we enjoy finding but that don't really add to the main pages. But, as always, if you want to put it back on the Tanaka page, I won't take it personally. [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:25, 20 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::::Well, "be bold in editing" is the credo. I'm more interested in the motivations (so that we can come to some guidelines) then this particular case.<br />
::::My view is that each page should be complete in its subject. That doesn't only include the relation between of the subject and the game, but also anything that explains how the game element came to be the way it is. That includes influences imho.<br />
::::I don't consider the Ultronomicon a reference work about just the SC2 game events, but also anything that has anything to do with it.<br />
::::Now if there was a lot to say about each trivia, I'd choose a link to the relevant section of a dedicated trivia page. But the trivia here are no longer than a paragraph.<br />
::::&mdash;[[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 12:30, 21 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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== Graeme ==<br />
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"Graeme is a reference to Donal Graeme, a protagonist in the Childe Cycle novels by Gordon R. Dickson. (This may also be a reference to other characters in this series with this same lastname.)"<br />
Are any of these characters pilots or captains of a space ship? Because if there's only one, it's probably safe to say that's the one the reference is about (as all people from this list are pilots/captains).<br />
&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 15:44, 5 Nov 2005 (CET)<br />
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:I don't know really - haven't had a chance to read or even look at the books. Maybe I'll have to do a run down to the bookstore. There are at least 4 Graeme characters (including Donal) that I have found just by looking at short book reviews and synopses on the web. Anyone know any Dickson fans? I'll keep looking and edit if I find anything along the criterion you mention. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 18:29, 5 Nov 2005 (CET)<br />
:Small update - Donal Graeme is a captain of a starship during at least part of one of the novels. Still don't know about the others though - sorry. I'll keep looking... --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 10:15, 11 Nov 2005 (CET)<br />
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== Constellation names ==<br />
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What's this with all the constellation names? Afaik, every single one of those stars actually exists. As such, they don't belong in the Ultronimocon, and certainly not on this page. They're not references any more than "Jupiter" or "fungus", or "stick" is a reference. That is, they normal real-life terms used exactly as in real life. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 23:52, 3 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
:Not exactly. I added the list, specifically excluding the pre-existing, real-life names (as far as I could tell). About a quarter of the constellation/star names are not actual constellation/star names. A lot of them are references to astronomers or physicists, some of which also have star catalogs, star types, and planetary features named after them (Lalande, Wolf, and Zeeman for example). There are others that might have a sci-fi origin like Arriani or Saurus. And then there are those that refer to things completely unrelated to astronomy (Klystron) or with no apparent source that I can find (Lipi). I guess this arose from some of the discussion on the which form of the constellation names to use in articles. I figured that for completeness, the reference page should also tell where the more esoteric in-game constellation/star names come from. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:40, 4 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
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Perhaps there are '''some''' that are made up (after all, more may be named between now and 2155). But with all the stars in the sky, I'd expect that anyone who's had anything to do with astronomy has a star or cluster named after him.<br />
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Also, stars that have latin names appear to be mentioned in the genitive when a prefix word is present. So the star system "taurus" (bull) has the star "alpha tauri" ("A of the bull"). Genitive forms usually have -i, -is or -ae (singular) or "-um", "-orum" or "-arum" (plural; "alpha geminorum" is "A of the twins") suffixes. "Lipi" may be a typo for "Lupi", "Lupus" meaning "wolf" (which is an actual constellation).<br />
&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 20:39, 4 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
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:Sorry a response has been so delayed - end of the year finals. I see what you're saying, and could go back on my previous arguments and agree with taking off the names like Luyten, Wolf, and others that are part of star names/star catalogs/star types. I'll do some more research over the winter break and see if any others that might fall into this category. I'd still like to leave the others up so people can see where the names might have come from, even if it is from some astronomer not honored in stellar nomenclature like Brahe (I believe there's no star-thingy named after him). And of course, I'll continue to mull this whole issue over.<br />
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:As for the names being in the genitive cases, Phoenix and I had some discussion over at [[Ultronomicon talk:Manual of Style#Constellation names]] about this, and we'd certainly like to hear you're thoughts. For example, do you know of any in-game instance when the nominative form of a latin constellation name is used? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 06:49, 15 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
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== Raynet ==<br />
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How important is RAYNET, the british amateur radio organization? Unless it's much bigger than I thought, or something special to FF or PR3... I don't expect it would be the source for this name.<br />
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== Utwig captain names ==<br />
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Interesting finds Censored, but I'm not sure if those are so much references as they are coincidences, especially the Duna name (in portuguese in means a sand dune). I don't see how the Danuba river relates to the Utwig. Nestor I might be able to buy, they are kind of elderly and wise, but weren't the robots in asimov's "I, robot" books called nestors (maybe this was only in the movies)? And for Endo, the japanese author maybe if again we can relate him somehow to the utwig personality/culture. I think a stronger possibility might be that endo is a slang term for marijuana - that smoke you see on their bridge, well, that's why they're sooo sad and out of touch with reality (probably got a bad case of the munchies too). --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:22, 9 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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== Arilou captain names ==<br />
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Is it possible that the Arilou captain names are "words" from songs? Does anyone recognise any of those names? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 08:48, 6 March 2006 (CET)<br />
:They seem to mostly be nonsense words to me, besides "Dingdup" which sounds like "Dinged up". "Louifoui" might be from a song, although the only one I can think of that's remotely similar would be "Louie Louie". -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 09:41, 6 March 2006 (CET)<br />
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== Trent ==<br />
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Is this possibly a reference to Trent Castanaveras (sp?) of Daniel Keys Moran's _The_Long_Run_. Primarily I'd describe him as a thief, but he's also a competent pilot.<br />
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== Buenos Aires ==<br />
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I added the entry about how Hayes mentioning the destruction of Buenos Aires seems to be a reference to Starship Troopers. Anyone have anything else to mention, questions, etc? [[User:MasterGrazzt|MasterGrazzt]] 03:28, 1 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
:[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]], thanks for correcting my mistake about Buenos Aires being in Peru instead of Argentina. While I hate to invoke the old internet defense of "I was tired", that was indeed the case, as I made that correction very early in the morning during an attack of insomnia. Hopefully, I am allowed to continue adding to this wiki :-). [[User:MasterGrazzt|MasterGrazzt]] 10:29, 3 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
::No problem. We've all done that at one point or another. Welcome to the community and please continue to add. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 21:03, 3 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
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===Other places destroyed===<br />
I've added some possible references for the other places the Ur-Quan destroyed. I grabbed the ones that I could think of first or find easily. I'm assuming that all the places have some kind of importance to mankind's history given the destruction of the other places. Here they are for the talk, and some of my thoughts on them:<br />
*''blew away a kilometer of land in central Iraq''<br />
:My best guess is Babel/Tower of Babel, but could be the Nameless City or Ubar (Iram of Pillars) but those are supposed to be Arabia.<br />
*''vaporized several targets in the Amazon rain forest''<br />
:The only mythology/fiction thing I could come up with was El Dorado, but it might just be other as yet undiscovered cities.<br />
*''punched a big hole through the antarctic icecap to destroy something deep under the surface''<br />
:This one could be a lot of things. My initial search turned up ''The Mountains of Madness'' and Campbell's ''Who goes there?'', which was made into a movie ''The Thing''. I'm not sure if there are some other "buried in antarctic" mythologies that existed prior to 1992 (the X-files movie came out in 1998).<br />
*''melted a broad swath of the ocean floor in the south-eastern Atlantic''<br />
:I thought this was Atlantis, but the south-east location seems a bit odd to me.<br />
Am I missing any other possible references that these might be too? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 07:32, 7 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
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===Drooge===<br />
Friend in Russian is "друг" which can be transliterated as "drug". I've never guessed that the name "Drooge" is from Russian word for "friend". While translating name "Drooge" was transliterated back to Russian as "Друудж" with absolutely no meaning. [[User:Dmit|Dmit]]<br />
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== Music ==<br />
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I think the Androsynth fanfare sounds an awful lot like the song "Mongoloid" by Devo, or potentially another Devo song since plenty of them have similar riffs. For comparison, see http://andre.facadecomputer.com/mongoloid_vs_androsynth.ogg (I'd love to upload it here but it won't let me). [[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]] 01:55, 13 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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I'm not familiar with Devo, but from what I see on Wikipedia, their matching outfits and kitch sci-fi style do say Androsynth to me. Together with the "Booji-1" Androsynth captain, this music similarity is probably not a coincidence. What kind of problem do you have uploading? Any error messages? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 02:38, 13 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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Yeah, I've never really seen or heard Devo, but from what I knew of them, the Androsynth match pretty well. The shiny glasses, 4 of them in a cockpit (I'm pretty sure Devo had 4 members), and the "ditty" for when they win a combat just ''screams'' Devo, if you ask me. &mdash; [[[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 02:17, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Thiotimoline ==<br />
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I read the Wikipedia article on Thiotimoline, and I don't see very much similarities, other than time travel of information being involved. That's not enough to list it here imho. Is there anything else in the actual Thiotimoline essays that connects it with the Metachron? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 03:08, 2 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Oh frell, I'm sorry for the delay in response - I didn't see this until just now. The similarity in my mind is that the reaction happens prior to the adding of water, and is a gradual process that can be measured to determine when water will be added (from the first essay). I've recently re-read the first and third essays/stories, but am still searching for the second where I seem to recall that someone was using the endochronic properties to predict if rocket launches would be successful. The third essay goes a little bit more into detail talking about creating devices out of endochronic polymers, but focuses on using them for space/time-travel. Thiotimoline and the metachron are the only scifi devices that I know of that predict their own destruction/dissolution so that's why I originally connected the two and inserted the comment. But if the idea is more prevalent than I thought, or the argument still doesn't cut it without a specific reference, go ahead and remove it and I'll add it back in when/if I find something more definitive. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 03:04, 11 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== The Pootworm and Descartes ==<br />
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Okay, this one got me. Granted I'm no philosophy major, but I'm not a backwater hick. So can someone please explain in what ways the Pootworm dialog is a play on Descartes' "Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum"? For reference, here is the Pootworm dialog:<br />
:"Welcome to our home stars. We are the Pkunk. Pkunk we are. Seekers of the deepest truths, askers of interesting and significant questions. Even now a question of great transcendental significance comes unbidden to our minds. Who are you and what do you want? Do not be frightened. We are powerful creatures, yes but we could not hurt you anymore than we could squish the helpless Pootworm. We love the Pootworm. We are one with the Pootworm. We are one with you. Of course you realize that this means you are one with the Pootworm. Rejoice!! To be one with the Pootworm is to be alive, and why not be alive? Is that not what living is for?"<br />
I could be blind, but I don't see where "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am" is referenced in there. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 07:48, 14 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:"We are one with the Pootworm. We are one with you. Ergo, you are one with the Pootworm. Ergo, you are [alive]"<br />
:There are some similarities, as you see. It's another apparently superfluous tentative to prove that we exist (by using some more particular affirmations). [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 10:53, 14 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::The link with Decartes is indirect. The Pootworm dialog connects with "proof of existence", and only via that do you go to "Decartes". That's one step too many, and hence, considering that there are no other connections, too little to be included here. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 19:21, 19 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== ZFP ==<br />
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Yes, if you try hard enough, you can make up some vague connections. But this page is not about what associations you can come up with (don't even think about it; such a page has no place in the Ultronomicon); it is about things that had influenced TFB and other materials that TFB refered to.<br />
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If this applied to the Zoq/Frog connection, that means that TFB must have had the same connection in imagery that we've determined by poll to be very far-fetched. (Note that it's more likely that the race design came before the artwork). Even for a page in which some "maybe"s are acceptable, this is just too far "out there".<br />
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The "Fot"-".fot file" connection is even more far-fetched. There are only that many three-letter words, neither is really "unnecessary", there are no other similarities, and Windows 3.1 was only just out when TFB were finishing up SC2, at which time they likely had better things to do than look at the internals of Windows. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 18:16, 19 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, oops (the Fot thingy). About the ZoqFrog I can only say one thing: *FRUMPLE!!!*. And "Nnnnnnnngah! It is *dancing*!". [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 18:20, 19 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Stars and constellation influences ==<br />
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[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] removed the Lipi and Vitalis references (Lipi=Lipi Marketing, Vitalis=Saint Vitalis), arguing that they aren't related to science or sci-fi. However, unless a more sci(-fi) reference is found, we can stick with this. After all, who said that FF&PR3 weren't allowed to be influenced by non-sci(-fi) sources?! [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 08:48, 26 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:You are absolutely right that we don't know exactly what FF&PR3 were influenced by, but we can make a good guess based on statements they've made, by the context of the game itself, and similarities to other known influences. The purpose of this page as I see is not to document every coincidence of shared names, but to catalog those for which an argument can be made why they are likely candidates and not happy coincidences nor the first thing that pops up when you google/wikipedia the term. That's my full problem with Lipi and Vitalis. The Vitalis saints and Lipi marketing have nothing to do with science, stars, math, science fiction - in other words, they don't fit the pattern. They look like things that just have the same name. It's a much more extraordinary claim that those are the references/influences for those names because they don't fit the pattern. In the choice between using those references or nothing at all (if nothing can be found), I disagree with you and I'd rather go with nothing. Leaving an entry blank does no harm - it's alright to say that we don't know something; but to claim a coincidence is a possibility simply because the name is or sounds the same is shoddy research and devalues this list.<br />
:I'd say keep searching on the Lipi and Vitalis fronts - it was only today that I found a "Saurus" reference that I like and that I think fits the context, and I've been thinking about these lists off and on for awhile now. Be patient. Coincidences do happen so do the research to make sure the names fit. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 10:05, 26 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Ship Designs ==<br />
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I'm not the one who made the initial reference to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought bearing more than a passing resemblance to the Battlestar Galactica, but I do agree with it. Namely, the low profile, long main body, distinctive "head" shape, pods (flight pods on the Galactica, warp pods on the Dreadnought) separated from the main body by "nacelles," a single engine cluster at the end of the rear body and the ability to launch fighters. These are certainly not all features solely distinctive to the Galactica, but they are in tandem. I'm honestly not *too* bothered by the edit by Valaggar, but I personally think the resemblence is far too uncanny for there not to have been a design inspiration there. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 17:37, 27 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Yeah, feel free to revert it, unless someone does not agree. I wasn't in a good mood when I made the edit... and you know what sort of things stem from such a mood. I apologize. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 20:17, 27 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::Changed, but not reverted. There certainly are a lot of differences, still, so I worded it similarly to how the human cruiser entry is worded. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 20:42, 27 June 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Influences_and_references&diff=18143Influences and references2007-06-27T18:40:41Z<p>24.117.122.78: Ur-Quan Dreadnought</p>
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The [[Star Control|Star Control 1]] manual mentions "Inspired by the Works of Fiction of: [[wikipedia:Orson Scott Card|Orson Scott Card]], [[wikipedia:Larry Niven|Larry Niven]], [[wikipedia:Andre Norton|Andre Norton]], [[wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]], [[wikipedia:Robert A. Heinlein|Robert A. Heinlein]], [[wikipedia:Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke]], [[wikipedia:Jack Vance|Jack Vance]], [[wikipedia:Alan Dean Foster|Alan Dean Foster]], [[wikipedia:Keith Laumer|Keith Laumer]], [[wikipedia:A. E. Van Vogt|A.E. Van Vogt]], [[wikipedia:E. E. Smith|E.E. "Doc" Smith]], [[wikipedia:Joe Haldeman|Joe Haldeman]], [[wikipedia:Dan Simmons|Dan Simmons]], [[wikipedia:Fred Saberhagen|Fred Saberhagen]] and 100 worthy others."<br />
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==Alien design==<br />
The names of certain races introduced in [[Star Control II]] are taken from the so-called "[[Professor Zorg's Guide to Alien Etiquette]]" (the copy-protection of Star Control): [[Orz]], [[Pkunk]], [[Slylandro]], [[Supox]], [[Thraddash]] (as "Thrddash"), [[Utwig]], and [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]].<br />
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The name [[Androsynth]] is taken from the Greek "andros" ("man") and "synthetic" from Greek "syn" ("together") and "thesis" ("put"), or as the [[Star Control II]] manual says it "fake men".<br />
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The pink triangle on the suits of the Androsynth in [[SuperMelee]] is a [[wikipedia:Pink triangle|gay symbol]].<br />
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The Star Control 2 manual describes the [[Chenjesu]] as being "a bit more equal" than the other [[Alliance]] races, which is a reference to a [[wikipedia:Seven Commandments|similar statement]] found in ''[[wikipedia:Animal Farm|Animal Farm]]'' by [[wikipedia:George Orwell|George Orwell]].<br />
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The name [[Drall]] is also used for a species in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, which lives on a planet with the same name in the Corellian System. The only reference to the [[wikipedia:List of Star Wars races (A-E)#Drall|Star Wars Drall]] prior to 1992 (pre-SC2) is in ''[[wikipedia:Han Solo and the Lost Legacy|Han Solo and the Lost Legacy]]'', where one is described as being "oily-skinned" with a gleaming red hide. <br />
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The name [[Druuge]] is pronounced almost exactly like the ancient Persian word "druj" - a term of [[wikipedia:Zoroastrianism|Zoroastrian religion]] that is very roughly translated as "daeva (demon) of lies". Since the Druuge are proven liars and resemble the [[wikipedia:Daeva|daevas]], which are described as "beings with combined human and animal characteristics," this may have been an influence.<br />
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The [[Ilwrath]] were named after a friend of the creators (XXX: both?) named McIlwraith.<br />
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The name [[Melnorme]] is a reference to jazz singer [[wikipedia:Mel Tormé|Mel Tormé]].<br />
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The [[Mycon]] is taken from the Greek prefix "myc-" or "myco-", which means Fungus.<br />
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The [[Orz]] and the disappearance of the [[Androsynth]] were influenced by [[wikipedia:H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft]]'s writings. (XXX: need more exact references). The *fingers* may originate from Asimov's story "[[wikipedia:Catch that Rabbit|Catch that Rabbit]]" where a robot known as DV-5 has six other robots under its control which are refered to as "fingers".<br />
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Utricularia, as in ''[[Supox]] Utricularia'', is a genus of carnivorous plants more commonly known as [[Wikipedia:Bladderwort|Bladderwort]].<br />
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The [[Shofixti]] are inspired by the historical [[wikipedia:History of Japan|Japanese culture]].<br />
"[[Kyabetsu]]", the name of the former Shofixti homeworld, means "cabbage". The tiny main gun of their [[Scout]] ships is called the Mendokusai Energy Dart; "Mendoukusai" in Japanese means "irritating; bothersome."<br />
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[[Spathi]] is "Sword" in Greek. Maybe, the name is meant to be very ironical, because the Spathi are so cowardly. Also, the rumours of the Black Spathi Squadron are most likely a reference to the [[Wikipedia:VMA-214|Black Sheep Squadron]] from World War 2.<br />
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The [[Syreen]] are based on the [[wikipedia:Siren|Siren]]s from classical mythology. They were sea nymphs who would use enchanting song to lure ships onto the cliffs.<br />
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The [[Yehat]] are inspired in part by the [[wikipedia:Scottish clan|Scottish clan]]s and by [[Wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]]'s [[Wikipedia:Uplift Universe|Uplift]] series.<br />
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===Larry Niven influences===<br />
A number of aliens draw some of their inspiration from Niven's [[wikipedia:Known Space|Known Space]] novels. Fred and Paul have openly admitted in a [[TFB chat protocols|1998 IRC chat]] to being influenced by these novels.{{ref|1}}<br />
*The [[Dnyarri]] are very similar in description, powers, and history to the [[wikipedia:Thrint|Thrint]]un race, "a long-extinct species which ruled the galaxy through telepathic mind control." Like the [[wikipedia:Grogs|Grogs]], the Talking Pets are devolved forms of a once-great race.<br />
*The [[Precursors]] are also slightly similar to the Thrintun who likewise left behind relics to be used by the modern-day characters in Niven's novels and who were given a vague moniker, "Slavers", by later races since their real name was unknown.<br />
*Though not physiologically, the [[Spathi]] resemble less advanced versions of the cowardly [[wikipedia:Pierson's Puppeteer|Pierson's Puppeteer]]s.<br />
*The [[Arilou]], in their speculated capacity as genetic manipulators of humanity, are also similar to the Puppeteers.<br />
*The [[Melnorme]], like the [[wikipedia:Outsiders (Known Space)|Outsiders]], are traveling merchants who trade in information and will answer any question for the right price.<br />
**The [[Keel-Verezy]] may be similar to the [[wikipedia:Starseed|Starseeds]], sharing a similar relation with the [[Melnorme]] as the starseeds with the Outsiders.<br />
*The [[Shofixti]] are similar in appearance and warlike tendencies to the [[wikipedia:kzin|kzin]].<br />
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===StarFlight influences===<br />
The creators of [[Star Control]] and [[Star Control 2]] worked in the making of the [[wikipedia:StarFlight|StarFlight]] games as well, and some SC elements are clearly inspired from the SF universe:<br />
*The name [[Arilou Lalee'lay]] may originate from the StarFlight race Aeoruiiaeo.<br />
*Physically, the [[Umgah]] resemble the Spemin. In terms of behavior, they are almost identical to the Teeelveee.<br />
*Culturally and psychologically, the [[Utwig]] resemble the Dweenle - and, in a lesser degree, the Lieu Vadish.<br />
**The [[VUX]] also appear to be influenced by the Lieu Vadish.<br />
*The [[Supox]] greatly resemble the Elowan.<br />
*The [[Mmrnmhrm]] resemble the Mechan.<br />
*Physically, the [[Mycon]] resemble the Nathracch.<br />
*The useless [[Wimbli's Trident]] and [[Glowing Rod]] resemble some similar, useless "alien curiosities" from StarFlight.<br />
*The denomination "[[Interstar Credits]]" is probably inspired from the name of the currency in the game, "Interstel Credits".<br />
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==Dialog==<br />
The default name of [[The Captain]], Zelnick, may come from Strauss Zelnick, the CEO of [[Crystal Dynamics]] at the time of the 3DO version of Star Control II was being made. The producer of the 3DO version of Star Control II was Crystal Dynamics.<br />
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The [[Arilou]]'s final remark "Be seeing you..." may be a reference to the tv series [[wikipedia:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]].<br />
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====Ilwrath====<br />
One of the gods that the [[Ilwrath]] used to worship was called "Awk of Seds", a reference to the text processing programs [[wikipedia:AWK programming language|awk]] and [[wikipedia:sed|sed]].<br />
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[[wikipedia:Captain Satellite|Captain Satellite]], which the [[Ilwrath]] confess to have watched on [[Channel 44]] prior to [[Dogar and Kazon]]'s transmissions, was a show on KTVU-2 in Oakland, California.<br />
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====Melnorme====<br />
The Melnorme line "This very morning, I was just saying to subordinate Ochre `Fe-Fi-Fo-Fum! I smell the feet of a Hu-Hu-Man!'" refers to the fairy tale [[Wikipedia:Jack and the Beanstalk|Jack and the Beanstalk]], where an ogre (a flesh-eating giant) speaks the line "Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman.". The similarity between the subordiate's name "Ochre" and "ogre" is probably not a coincidence either.<br />
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The phrase "itchy pods" from the Melnorme line "I had itchy pods this morning, Captain, and here you are!" may come from the wives' tale of "itchy palms" that predict wealth. It may have also been influenced, consciously or unconsciously, by [[wikipedia:Dr. Seuss|Dr. Seuss]]' book "On Beyond Zebra", which introduces the letter "ITCH" with the line "And 'way, 'way past Z is a letter called ITCH. And the ITCH is for Itch-a-pods, animals which [...]".<br />
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====Pkunk====<br />
[[The Captain]]'s remark to the [[Pkunk]] "Hey! Bird-brains! Got any fruit loops? Har-har-har!" refers to a brand of breakfast cereal called [[wikipedia:Froot Loops|Froot Loops]], which features a toucan resembling the Pkunk as its mascot.<br />
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The Pkunk say that they insult their foes to keep from "wrapping around" to evil; this is a programmer's joke about the nature of integers under the C programming language (and many others.) If you increase a number past its maximum (for example, 128 in an 8 bit integer) it suddenly becomes negative (-127, in this example.)<br />
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The Pkunk mention channeling a ancient warrior called [[Rumdumdaddy]], which is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Ramtha|Ramtha]], an ancient Lemurian warrior that [[wikipedia:JZ Knight|JZ Knight]] claims to channel.<br />
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Many Pkunk dialog is a play on Far East/New Age philosophies. The Pkunk's observation that everyone in their past lives were famous, rich or interesting, and that hence other people don't reincarnate makes fun of the readings of so-called psychic mediums, who generally try to inspire faith by telling people what they want to hear. Along these same lines, The Captain mentions a [[wikipedia:Ouija|Ouija Board]], another common element of some New Age philosophies, when dissuading the Pkunk from returning to the Yehat.<br />
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[[Tanaka]]'s opening comments, "you killed my father, my mother, my many brothers, all six of my sisters - in fact, my entire race! Prepare to die," may pay homage to the movie [[wikipedia:The Princess Bride|The Princess Bride]], in which the character [[wikipedia:Inigo Montoya|Inigo Montoya]] has prepared a similar comment for when he confronts his father's murderer, [[wikipedia:Count Rugen|Count Rugen]].<br />
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====Slylandro====<br />
When you choose the aggressive lines to speak towards the [[Slylandro]] [[Probe]]s, the third time you get the response "ENACTING THIRD LAW." before combat is initiated. This refers to Isaac Asimov's [[wikipedia:Three Laws of Robotics|Three Laws of Robotics]]. The third law says "A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.". The Probe's version must not have the first clause as the first law says "A robot may not harm a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.". (Alternatively, its First Law applies to solely to its creator race, which grant humans and other sentients no special protection.) Also the [[Slylandro]] will go "to seek out new life and new civilizations, to go where no catalog item 2418 Remote Self-replicating robot probe had gone before." when asked about the programming of the probes, a reference to Star Trek.<br />
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====Spathi====<br />
When the [[Spathi]] [[The Safe Ones|Safe Ones]] ask the player for the [[Secret Spathi Cypher]], one of the incorrect options is "Wagh-nagl Fthagn", which spelled a little bit differently ("Wgah'nagl Fhtagn") comes from "''Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!''", a liturgical phrase in H. P. Lovecraft's [[wikipedia:Cthulhu mythos|Cthulhu mythos]]. <br />
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One of the other options for the Spathi Cypher, "Gort, merenga!" comes from the movie "[[wikipedia:The Day the Earth Stood Still|The Day the Earth Stood Still]]".<br />
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When [[The Captain]] gets to choose the name for the [[New Alliance of Free Stars|new alliance]], one of his options is "The United Federation of Worlds", a reference to the [[Wikipedia:United Federation of Planets|United Federation of Planets]] from Star Trek. [[Starbase]] Commander [[Hayes]] will reply to this choice by saying "we will make it so", another reference to Star Trek, where captain [[Wikipedia:Jean-Luc Picard|Jean-Luc Picard]] would frequently order to "make it so".<br />
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Commander Hayes mentions early on that the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] annihilated Buenos Aires. This is most likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Robert A. Heinlein|Robert Heinlein]]'s novel [[wikipedia:Starship Troopers|Starship Troopers]], where the alien race humanity is fighting against similarly destroy Argentina's capital.<br />
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Commander Hayes also mentions that when the Ur-Quan destroyed much of mankind's history, they also destroyed several places without any known value. These places likely correspond to locations in popular fiction and mythology. They are:<br />
*"kilometer of land in central Iraq" - possibly the biblical [[Wikipedia:Babel|Babel]], [[Wikipedia:The Nameless City|The Nameless City]] from the works of H. P. Lovecraft, or [[Wikipedia:Iram of the Pillars|Iram of the Pillars]]<br />
*"several targets in the Amazon rain forest" - possibly [[Wikipedia:El Dorado|El Dorado]] or simply just other undiscovered city centers in the Amazon jungle<br />
*"something deep under the surface [of the Antarctic icecap]" - possibly a reference to the alien city discovered in H. P. Lovecraft's ''[[Wikipedia:At the Mountains of Madness|At the Mountains of Madness]]''<br />
*"broad swath of the ocean floor in the south-eastern Atlantic" - possibly [[Wikipedia:Atlantis|Atlantis]]<br />
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The idea of a "[[psychon]]" present in Commander Hayes' statement that when an electric current is fed into the [[Taalo Shield]] "all evidence of psychon interaction is flatlined" probably originates from [[wikipedia:Sir John Eccles|Sir John Eccles]]' psychon theory, presented in his book "[[wikipedia:How the Self Controls Its Brain|How the Self Controls Its Brain]]".<br />
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====Utwig====<br />
When the [[Utwig]] are trying to tell you what to do with the [[Precursor Bomb]], at one point they say that the "Bomb must be...Hugged?" This is likely a reference to the movie [[Wikipedia:Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb|Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb]].<br />
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One of the ways that the Utwig determined that the [[Ultron]] could have been saved was by cushioning the fall with a fuzzy wumpus. A Wumpus is a mysterious monster from the famous, early computer game [[Wikipedia:Hunt the Wumpus|Hunt the Wumpus]].<br />
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When describing the [[Kohr-Ah]], the Utwig say that their stated purpose is "to seek out new life and new civilizations...and then annihilate them," a clear play on the mission statement of the [[Wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] of [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]] fame.<br />
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The Utwig parting phrase "May the Ultron be with you!" is a variation on the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] phrase "May the Force be with you."<br />
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The [[Chief Groo]]'s name may originate from [[wikipedia:Groo the Wanderer|Groo the Wanderer]]'s name.<br />
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====VUX====<br />
The description of the constellation that is described as "the snake-like creature who has swallowed the elephantine beast" in the DOS version ("the long, thin creature who has swallowed the huge beast." in the 3DO version and UQM) is a reference to the children's book [[wikipedia:Le Petit Prince|Le Petit Prince]] by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, which [http://www.korczak.com/Exupery/englisch/i.html describes and shows] an image of a boa constrictor digesting an elephant.<br />
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The VUX say that [[Captain Rand]]'s [[Insult]] fixed their attitude setting at "ABHOR", which may be a reference to [[Professor Zorg's Guide to Alien Etiquette]] from Star Control 1, where the player was to select the correct attitude for a given situation; one of the answers was "ABHOR", again in all caps.<br />
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"[[Cheep-Guava]]", the name of the head of the [[Yehat]] revolution, is a pun on "[[Wikipedia:Che Guevara|Che Guevara]]", the Cuban revolutionary leader.<br />
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====Zoq-Fot-Pik====<br />
When first meeting the [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]] at their homeworld, they warn you not to try stealing their atmosphere, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Spaceballs|Spaceballs]].<br />
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The coordinates "...ziggerfau-gerrrnuf, Ah-ah, Pahoy-hoy" of the Zoq-Fot-Pik homeworld given in their initial encounter refers to Hawaiian words for two types of [[Wikipedia:lava|lava]] flows, "Aa" and "Pahoehoe".<br />
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====Other====<br />
The Mosquito Mange is mentioned in the [[Androsynth]] computer records immediately prior to their disappearance. It is a reference to the term found in [[wikipedia:Roadside Picnic|Roadside Picnic]] refering to graviconcentrates - areas of heightened and directed gravity. <br />
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The ''Roadside Picnic'' might also be the inspiration for the 'Empties'. In the novel they are one of the common alien artifacts found in the Zones. In the game they are a [[Precursor]] artifact that Commander Hayes mentions in relation to the [[Ultron]].<br />
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==Ship Captains==<br />
Numerous ship captain names are actually references.<br />
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*'''1040-EZ''' is a common [[wikipedia:Form 1040EZ|tax return form]] in the United States.<br />
*'''976-KILL''' is probably meant as an American phone number. It may also refer to the movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094597/ 976-EVIL]. The "976" prefix is reserved for pay services.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:AK-47|AK-47]]''' is the famous Avtomat Kalashnikova assault rifle<br />
*'''BHS-79''' ''(just a wild guess here- is this the initials of one of the high schools they attended, and their graduation date?)''<br />
*'''BIM-XT''' is an anagram for the [[wikipedia:IBM XT|IBM XT]] personal computer from the early 1980s<br />
*'''BOOJI-1''' is a possible reference to the character [[wikipedia:Booji Boy|Booji Boy]] from the band [[wikipedia:Devo|Devo]].<br />
*'''CRC-16''' is a 16 bits "[[wikipedia:Cyclic redundancy check|Cyclic redundancy check]] (an error-detecting checksum).<br />
*'''DORN-3''' may be a reference to artist John Alfred Dorn III, who did several illustrations for the novels of [[wikipedia:Stanisław Lem|Stanisław Lem]]. It could also be a reference [[wikipedia:Michael Dorn|Michael Dorn]] who played Lt. Worf on Star Trek: The Next Generation.<br />
*'''DOS-1.0''' is a reference to one or all of the various early disk operating systems ([[wikipedia:PC-DIS|PC-DOS]], [[wikipedia:MS-DOS|MS-DOS]], [[wikipedia:Apple DOS|Apple DOS]], etc).<br />
*'''HAL-2001''' is a reference to the [[wikipedia:HAL 9000|HAL 9000]] computer from [[wikipedia:Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke]]'s and [[wikipedia:Stanley Kubrick|Stanley Kubrick]]'s [[wikipedia:2001: A Space Odyssey|2001: A Space Odyssey]]<br />
*'''JOR-15''' might be a reference to [[wikipedia:Jor-El|Jor-El]], superman's biological father in the DC comics universe.<br />
*'''KORB-7B''' might refer to [[wikipedia:Lawrence Korb|Lawrence Korb]], a former US Secretary of Defense heavily involved in military security.<br />
*'''ME-262''' is a reference to the Messerschmitt [[wikipedia:Me-262|Me-262]], the first operational jet powered aircraft. <br />
*'''NECRO-99''' may be a reference to the robot NECRON-99 from the movie [[wikipedia:Wizards (movie)|Wizards]].<br />
*'''SR-71''' is a reference to the Lockheed [[wikipedia:SR-71|SR-71 Blackbird]], an advanced reconnaissance aircraft.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Merkur XR4Ti|XR4-TI]]''' was a car model manufactured by the short-lived [[wikipedia:Merkur|Merkur]] brand.<br />
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====Druuge====<br />
*'''Moola''' is a play on "moolah", an English slang word for money.<br />
*'''Duulard''' could be a play on "dullard," which is slang for a boring person.<br />
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====Human====<br />
*'''Adama''' is the captain of the [[wikipedia:Battlestar Galactica|Battlestar Galactica]] in the television series by the same name.<br />
*'''Belt''' is a reference to Henry Belt, captain of a solar sail vessel in Jack Vance's short story ''Sail 25''.<br />
*'''Buck''' refers to [[wikipedia:Buck Rogers|Buck Rogers]], a character who appeared in popular sci-fi comic strips and serials in the late 30's, as well as a later television series.<br />
*'''Decker''' is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Willard Decker|Willard Decker]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] NCC-1701 in the movie [[wikipedia:Star Trek: The Motion Picture|Star Trek: The Motion Picture]].<br />
*'''Ender''' is a reference to the main character of the Orson Scott Card novel [[wikipedia:Ender's Game|Ender's Game]].<br />
*'''Graeme''' is a reference to Donal Graeme, a protagonist in the [[wikipedia: Childe Cycle|Childe Cycle]] novels by [[wikipedia:Gordon R. Dickson|Gordon R. Dickson]]. ''(This may also be a reference to other characters in this series with this same lastname.)''<br />
*'''Halleck''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Gurney Halleck|Gurney Halleck]] of the [[wikipedia:Dune universe|Dune series]].<br />
*'''Kirk''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:James T. Kirk|James T. Kirk]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] NCC-1701 in the original series of [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*'''Pike''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Christopher Pike|Christopher Pike]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] NCC-1701 in the pilot episode of [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Pirx|Pirx]]''' is a reference to a fictional test pilot in a series of stories by Stanisław Lem.<br />
*'''Solo''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Han Solo|Han Solo]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Millennium Falcon|Millennium Falcon]] in [[wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] episode 4 through 6.<br />
*'''Spiff''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Spaceman Spiff|Spaceman Spiff]], a fantasy identity of Calvin from [[wikipedia:Calvin and Hobbes|Calvin and Hobbes]]<br />
*'''Trent''' is a reference to Jeff Trent, civilian airline pilot from [[wikipedia:Plan 9 from Outer Space|Plan 9 from Outer Space]]<br />
*'''Tuf''' is a reference to Haviland Tuf, the protagonist in [[wikipedia:Tuf Voyaging|Tuf Voyaging]] by [[wikipedia:George R.R. Martin|George R.R. Martin]].<br />
*'''VanRijn''' is a reference to the merchant prince Nicholas Van Rijn in [[wikipedia:Poul Anderson|Poul Anderson]]'s stories.<br />
*'''Wu''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Louis Wu|Louis Wu]], the protagonist of Larry Niven's [[wikipedia:Ringworld|Ringworld series]].<br />
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====Ilwrath====<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Gorgon|Gorgon]]''' is a famous Greek mythological creature, of which [[wikipedia:Medusa|Medusa]] was one.<br />
*'''Kalgon''' might refer to [[wikipedia:Calgon|Calgon]], a cleansing product.<br />
*'''Taragon''' likely refers to the spice [[wikipedia:tarragon|tarragon]]<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Baylor University|Baylor]]''' is a university in Waco, Texas.<br />
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====Kohr-Ah====<br />
*All of their ship names appear to be '''Death''' followed by a [[wikipedia:Prime_number|prime number]].<br />
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====Mycon====<br />
*'''Znuff''' could be a reference to the 1984 rock group [[wikipedia:Enuff Z'nuff|Enuff Z'nuff]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Spork|Spork]]''' is an eating utensil, a hybrid of a spoon and a fork.<br />
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====Pkunk====<br />
*'''Crow''' may refer to [[wikipedia:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] from [[wikipedia:Mystery Science Theater 3000|Mystery Science Theater 3000]] as well as the obvious type of bird.<br />
*'''Ernie''' is likely a reference to the British cartoon [[wikipedia:Ernie (comic strip)|Ernie]].<br />
*'''Tweety''' is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Tweety|Tweety Bird]].<br />
*'''WudStok''' is Snoopy's friend [[wikipedia:Woodstock (Peanuts)|Woodstock]] in the comic strip [[wikipedia:Peanuts|Peanuts]].<br />
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====Shofixti====<br />
*'''Bonsai!''' is actually [[wikipedia:Bonsai|the Japanese art of pruning trees]], but is most likely a reference to the cry [[wikipedia:Ten thousand years|Banzai]].<br />
*'''Busu''' is a Japanese word for ugly<br />
*'''Chimchim''' most likely refers to the pet chimpanzee in [[wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Daikon|Daikon]]''' is a giant, white radish popular in Japanese cooking.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Gaijin|Gaijin]]''' is a disparaging Japanese term for foreigner.<br />
*'''Genjiro''' is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Genjiro Arato|Genjiro Arato]], a Japanese movie producer, actor, and director.<br />
*'''Ginzu''' is probably the [[wikipedia:Ginsu|Ginsu knife]].<br />
*'''Hiyata''' is a reference to the title character of the Japanese show [[wikipedia:Ultraman|Ultraman]], where it can also be spelled "Hayata". <br />
*'''Ichiban''' is the Japanese word for the number 1, or first<br />
*'''Kimba''' refers to the main character in the Japanese animation [[wikipedia:Kimba the White Lion|Kimba, the White Lion]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Katana|Katana]]''' is a Japanese sword.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Kudzu|Kudzu]]''' is an Asian plant that can be found in southern Japan.<br />
*'''Naninani''' is Japanese for "such and such"<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Sushi|Sushi]]''' is Japanese for seasoned rice, usually associated with raw fish.<br />
*'''Tanaka''' is a fairly common [[wikipedia:Japanese name|Japanese surname]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Tofu|Tofu]]''' is bean curd, popular in Japanese cooking.<br />
*'''Tora-3''' refers to the radio call announcing the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. [[wikipedia:Tora Tora Tora|Tora! Tora! Tora!]]<br />
*'''Wasabe''' is a Japanese condiment, usually spelled [[wikipedia:Wasabi|wasabi]].<br />
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====Spathi====<br />
*'''Jinkeze''' is a reference to the catchphrase of [[Wikipedia:Velma Dinkley|Velma Dinkley]], a main character in the [[Wikipedia:Scooby-Doo|Scooby-Doo]] cartoons, which she says when she is scared or surprised.<br />
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====Supox====<br />
*'''Crinoid''' is a reference to the Krynoids, hostile sentient plants in the [[wikipedia:Doctor Who|Doctor Who]] episode ''The Seeds of Doom''.<br />
*'''Trifid''' is a reference to the carnivorous, mobile (and possibly intelligent) plants in [[wikipedia:The Day of the Triffids|The Day of the Triffids]].<br />
*All of the other captain names are parts or types of plants.<br />
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====Syreen====<br />
*'''Aelita''' refers to the early Soviet sci-fi novel ''Aelita'' by [[wikipedia:Alexei Tolstoy|Alexei Tolstoy]] or to a silent film [[wikipedia:Aelita|Aelita:Queen of Mars]] based on it.<br />
*'''Alia''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Alia Atreides|St. Alia of the Knife]], the sister of [[wikipedia:Paul Atreides|Paul Atreides]] in the [[wikipedia:Dune universe|Dune series]].<br />
*'''Alura''' is possibly a reference either to Princess Allura in the [[wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]] cartoon series or to the mother of [[wikipedia:Supergirl|Supergirl]].<br />
*'''Ardala''' is a reference to the Princess Ardala, nemesis of Buck Rogers. <br />
*'''Be'lit''' is a possible reference to [[wikipedia:Belit|Belit]], a pirate queen in the [[wikipedia:Conan the Barbarian|Conan the Barbarian]] stories.<br />
*'''Brawne''' refers to Brawne Lamia, a character in Dan Simmons' [[wikipedia:Hyperion Cantos|Hyperion Cantos]] books.<br />
*'''Dale''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Dale Arden|Dale Arden]], the girlfriend of [[wikipedia:Flash Gordon|Flash Gordon]].<br />
*'''Danning''' is a reference to the actress [[wikipedia:Sybil Danning|Sybil Danning]].<br />
*'''Dejah''' may be a reference to Dejah Thoris Burroughs (Deety) in Robert A. Heinlein's [[wikipedia:The Number of the Beast (novel)|The Number of the Beast]], or to Dejah Thoris, Princess of Helium, in the [[wikipedia:Barsoom series|Barsoom series]] by [[wikipedia:Edgar Rice Burroughs|Edgar Rice Burroughs]].<br />
*'''Maya''' refers to the attractive female [[wikipedia:Space 1999|Space: 1999]] character gifted with shapeshifing abilties.<br />
*'''Munro''' possibly refers to another genre actress, [[wikipedia:Caroline Munro|Caroline Munro]].<br />
*'''Penny''' possibly refers to the lead female character in the movie [[wikipedia:The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension|The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension]], or the character of Penny Robinson in the television show Lost in Space. <br />
*'''Ripley''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Ellen Ripley|Lieutenant Ripley]], as portrayed by [[wikipedia:Sigourney Weaver|Sigourney Weaver]] in the movie [[wikipedia:Alien (movie)|Alien]].<br />
*'''Sparta''' is a reference to the beautiful female protagonist with a mysterious past in the Venus Prime series by [[wikipedia:Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke]] and [[wikipedia:Paul Preuss|Paul Preuss]].<br />
*'''Teela''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Teela Brown|Teela Brown]], one of the heroines of the Larry Niven's [[wikipedia:Ringworld|Ringworld]] novels.<br />
*'''Yarr''' may be a reference to [[wikipedia:Natasha Yar|Natasha Yar]] who appeared in [[wikipedia:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]].<br />
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====Umgah====<br />
*'''Bob''' is possibly a reference to the creators themselves: [[Toys For Bob]].<br />
*'''Brewz'k''' is likely the slang word "brewski".<br />
*'''Ei'Ei'o''' is probably referring to the refrain of the children's song ''[[wikipedia:Old MacDonald Had a Farm|Old MacDonald Had a Farm]]''. The name was used before in [[Professor Zorg's Guide to Alien Etiquette]] in [[Star Control 1]].<br />
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====Ur-Quan====<br />
*While all captain's names are '''Lord''' followed by a number, '''Lord 666''' is notable as a reference to the [[wikipedia:Number of the Beast|Number of the Beast]]. There is no known pattern to their numbers, unlike the Kohr-Ah.<br />
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====Utwig====<br />
*'''Endo''' might refer to a slang word for [[Wikipedia:marijuana|marijuana]]. In Japanese, this is also type of pea.<br />
*'''Manny''' might refer to the main character in [[wikipedia:Robert A. Heinlein|Robert A. Heinlein]]'s book [[wikipedia:the Moon Is a Harsh Mistress|The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress]].<br />
*'''Nestor''' might refer to the [[Wikipedia:NS-2|NS-2]], a robot model in Asimov's "[[Wikipedia:Little Lost Robot|Little Lost Robot]]" that can, by inaction, allow a human to be harmed.<br />
*'''Jujuby''' might be an alternate spelling of '[[Wikipedia:Jujube|Jujube]]', which is the fruit of a certain tree, also known as the "Chinese Date".<br />
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====VUX====<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Program Information File|PIF]]''' is a file extension used in early versions of [[wikipedia:Microsoft Windows|Microsoft Windows]].<br />
*'''VIP''' is an acronym meaning "very important person".<br />
*'''YUK''' likely comes from the work "yuck" -- an appropriate name, given the VUX's appearance.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:zit|ZIT]]''' likely comes from the skin blemish of the same name.<br />
*'''NRF''' may refer to the toy gun brand [[wikipedia:Nerf|Nerf]].<br />
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====Yehat====<br />
*'''Beep-eep''' could refer to the token sound made by the [[wikipedia:RWile E. Coyote and Road Runner|Road Runner]] in various [[wikipedia:Looney Tunes|Looney Tunes]] animations and products.<br />
*All the rest of their captains' names simply change the first letter.<br />
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====Zoq Fot Pik====<br />
*'''RinTin''' is likely named after the famous movie dog [[wikipedia:Rin Tin Tin|Rin Tin Tin]].<br />
*'''TikTak''' is likely a reference to the [[wikipedia:Tic Tac (candy)|Tic Tac]] breath mints or to the children's game [[wikipedia:Tic-tac-toe|Tic-tac-toe]].<br />
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==Ship Designs==<br />
*The '''[[Arilou]]'s [[Skiff]]''' vessel is reminiscent of the 'traditional' flying saucers or UFO's.<br />
*The '''[[Earthling]] [[Cruiser]]''' seems to be inspired by the Federation Starships from [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*The '''[[Ilwrath]] [[Avenger]]''' shares the same approximate configuration as both the [[wikipedia:Klingon starships|Klingon Bird-of-Prey]] and the [[wikipedia:Romulan starships|Romulan Warbird]] from Star Trek.<br />
*The '''[[Mmrnmhrm]] [[X-Form]]''' takes inspiration for both of its transformation forms from two popular [[wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] Rebellion fighters -- the [[wikipedia:X-Wing|X-Wing]] and the [[wikipedia:Y-Wing|Y-Wing]], respectively.<br />
*The '''[[Syreen]] [[Penetrator]]''' is shaped after the [[wikipedia:V-2 rocket|V-2 rocket]], and a dildo.<br />
*The '''[[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] [[Dreadnought]]''' seems to be inspired by the [[wikipedia:Battlestar Galactica (ship)|Battlestar command ships]] from Battlestar Galactica.<br />
*The '''[[VUX]] [[Intruder]]''' looks very similar to the D7 class Klingon starship.<br />
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==Star and constellation names==<br />
According to the [[HyperSpace]] starmap, the names for the HyperSpace stars and constellations were taken from "traditional astronomical designations." These are the in-game star and constellation names that don't directly correspond to real life astronomical designations. Others such as Lalande and Wolf, while not the name of actual constellations, appear to be derived from astronomical designations.<br />
*'''Almagest''' is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Almagest|Almagest]], an astronomical treatise written by [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy|Claudius Ptolemaius]] and describing his geocentric theory.<br />
*'''Arianni''' may be a reference to the "inner earth people" with the same name mentioned in a purported [http://www.reversespins.com/byrd.html missing diary] of [[wikipedia:Admiral Byrd|Admiral Byrd]]. Alternative origins may be the [[Wikipedia:Ariane (rocket)|Ariane rockets]], which were the primary launch vehicle of the European Space Agency in the latter portion of the 20th century, the planet [http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/places/article/69410.html Ariannus] from the original [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]], the [[wikipedia:Arianism|Arianist]] religious doctrine, the [[wikipedia:Aryan|Arian/Aryan]] (Proto-Indo-European) people or the ancient Greek historian [[wikipedia:Arrian|Arrian]].<br />
*'''Brahe''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tycho Brahe|Tycho Brahe]], the famous Danish astronomer of the 16th century.<br />
*'''Cerenkov''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov|Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov]], a Soviet physicist and Nobel laureate.<br />
*'''Chandrasekhar''' is a reference to the Indian-American astrophysicist [[Wikipedia:Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar|Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar]], famous for his work on stellar evolution and black holes.<br />
*'''Copernicus''' is a reference [[Wikipedia:Nicolaus Copernicus|Nicolaus Copernicus]], the polish astronomer who proposed the sun was the center of the solar system.<br />
*'''Gorno''' is a possible reference to the [[Wikipedia:Gorn|Gorn]], a race in [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*'''Hyginus''' is a reference to the attributed author of [[Wikipedia:Poeticon astronomicon|Poeticon astronomicon]].<br />
*'''Hyperion''' is a reference to the main setting of Dan Simmons' [[wikipedia:Hyperion Cantos|Hyperion Cantos]]; in turn, the denomination is taken from the name of the mythological Titan [[wikipedia:Hyperion (mythology)|Hyperion]].<br />
*'''Illuminati''' is a reference to a variety of conspiracy theories, especially those of the [[Wikipedia:Illuminati|Bavarian Illuminati]].<br />
*'''Kepler''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Johannes Kepler|Johannes Kepler]] who discovered the three laws of planetary motion.<br />
*'''Klystron''' is a reference to a kind of vacuum tube used in early radar systems.<br />
*'''Lentilis''' is probably a reference to the Lentili from David Brin's short story [[Wikipedia:Sshhh ...|Sshhh ...]].<br />
*'''Lipi''' is possibly a misspelling of "[[wikipedia:Lupus (constellation)|Lupus]]", an existing constellation.<br />
*'''Maksutov''' is likely a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Maksutov telescope|Maksutov telescope]] invented by the Russian optician [[Wikipedia:Dimtri Maksutov|Dimtri Maksutov]].<br />
*'''Mersenne''' is a reference to [http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Mersenne.html Marin Mersenne] a Minim friar who lived in France from 1588-1648 and was a major founder of number theory.<br />
*'''Metis''' is a [[wikipedia:Metis (moon)|moon of Jupiter]], and correspondingly a [[wikipedia:Metis (mythology)|character]] in Greek mythology.<br />
*'''Olber''' is likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers|Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers]], a German astronomer.<br />
*'''Organon''' is likely a reference to either Francis Bacon's book [[Wikipedia:Novum Organum|The New Organon]] or Aristotle's [[Wikipedia:Organon|Organon]], after which Bacon's book was named. Alternatively it could be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Organia|Organia]], an important location in [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]], or to the [[Wikipedia:Organa family|Organa family]] in the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] universe.<br />
*'''Ptolemae''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy|Claudius Ptolemaius]], an ancient astronomer whose Geocentric views Copernicus replaced. <br />
*'''Raynet''' is possibly a misspelling of "[[wikipedia:Wolf-Rayet|Rayet]]", an existing astronomical designation. It could also be a reference to British amateur radio network [[Wikipedia:RAYNET|RAYNET]].<br />
*'''Saurus''' is possibly a reference to [[wikipedia:Eden Phillpotts|Eden Phillpotts]] novel ''Saurus''. It is also similar to the Greek word for "reptile". <br />
*'''Squidi''' <br />
*'''Vitalis''' <br />
*'''Zeeman''' is possibly a reference to the physicist [[Wikipedia:Pieter Zeeman|Pieter Zeeman]] for whom a [[Wikipedia:Zeeman (crater)|crater]] on the moon is named.<br />
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==Other==<br />
*'''[[Leyland Gravity Whip]]s''' are named after Robert Leyland, a Toys For Bob programmer.<br />
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*The name and appearance of most '''[[Table of bio types|bio types]]''' found on planets originate in some way from real (living or not) things. The less obvious ones are listed below:<br />
**'''Roto-Dendron''' is likely a [[wikipedia:Portmanteau|portmanteau]] of "[[wikipedia:Roto|roto]]" and "[[wikipedia:Rhododendron|rhododendron]]" (the name of a real plant).<br />
**'''Macrocilla''' is probably a misspelling of "macrocilia", an existing [[wikipedia:Organelle|organelle]] found in the mouths of some [[wikipedia:Ctenophore|ctenophores]].<br />
**In '''Splort Wort''', "splort" is an onomatopoeia for the shooting of a liquid, and "wort" is old English for "herb".<br />
**The '''Bug-Eyed Bait''' resembles a worm, and indeed, worms are used as bait in fishing. Also, the large eyes of the creature justify the epithet "bug-eyed".<br />
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==Notes and references==<br />
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::<Manta> Fwiffo: Has anyone ever brought up parallels between Babylon 5 and Star Control?<br><br />
::<Fwiffo> Babylon 5 causes a certain amount of stomping around the office screaming.<br><br />
::<Fwiffo> Babylon 5 steals from us. We steal from known space.<br><br />
::<Fwiffo> And Larry in known space steals from others.<br />
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[[Category:Trivia]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Influences_and_references&diff=18141Talk:Influences and references2007-06-27T15:37:50Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>I've just read Roadside Picnic and I'm confused about why you regard the "Mosquito Mange" as an influence or reference. Was this something Fred and Paul said in a chat session? Is there something in Star Control II that is similar? I've thought about it and I fail to see the connection. Please enlighten.<br />
--[[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 00:59, 19 Jul 2005 (CEST)<br />
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That item was actually one to be researched further (which is why I put the question marks there). I haven't read the story myself yet, but it's been mentioned in the IRC channel as a possible origin of the "mosquito mange" expression which is used in SC2 when examining the Androsynth ruins: ":I see requests to the central computer for information -- data on `reality aberrations', the `Mosquito Mange' and, er, ghosts, poltergeists, and other malevolent supernatural creatures."<br />
-- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 04:23, 19 Jul 2005 (CEST)<br />
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For those who want to do some work on this page, there are two threads at the PNF boards, which have some more useful info. Be sure to verify these though, as some are plain wrong.<br />
*http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~starcontrol/forum/index.php?topic=53.0<br />
*http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~starcontrol/forum/index.php?topic=698.0<br />
-- SvdB 05:32, 19 Jul 2005 (CEST)<br />
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I've been doing some work on these references (mostly the names) and have put up the ones that seem the most likely given the context and time period. Here are a few more captain names that I wasn't sure enough on though:<br />
*'''Danning''' - Sybil Danning (mentioned on one of the PNF board threads)<br />
*'''Munro''' - Caroline Munro, famous scream queen<br />
*'''Decker''' - character from ST:TMP or Commodore Decker of USS Constellation in the Original Series ('The Doomsday Machine' episode)<br />
*'''Graeme''' - from characters in the Childe Cycle by Gordon R. Dickson (I've seen the characters' names also spelled Grahame so I'm not sure)<br />
*'''Alura''' - the only thing I found was Superman's mother. This might just be a word-play on 'Allure' <br />
*'''BOOJI-1''' - reference to [[wikipedia:Booji Boy|Booji Boy]] of Devo fame<br />
Are any of these reasonable enough to include on this page? Also, if there are any that I've already put up that you disagree with, we can discuss and edit as needs be - I won't take it too personally. Next on the my list is to parse the works of the authors they mention, looking for references and such. Of course if we have fans of these works, they'd be the first and best to find those.<br />
[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 04:59, 3 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:I think Alura was Supergirl's mother, not Superman's.-- [[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 11:02, 5 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::You're right - I slipped up on that one. Is there any other possible Alura reference/inpsiration? [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:23, 12 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:::I can't find any other. I think it would be safe to add it for now. [[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 03:54, 18 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:::My only qualms with adding this Alura reference is that it doesn't exactly fit the context. All the others are centrallish characters that tend to have certain qualities that match the Syreen image. Supergirl's mom simply seems like a flat, background character on the sidelines of the DC universe. Personally, of all the possible inspirations I've proposed I think that this one is the weakest (followed closely by penny). I did find a third potential inspiration: Princess Allura of [[wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]] fame. So the list of possibilities is:<br />
:::*Word play on allure<br />
:::*Supergirl's mother<br />
:::*Princess in Voltron<br />
:::*something else???<br />
:::How do we decide what can reasonably be stated as the reference/influence that Paul and Fred intended anyways? When I've been looking, my criteria has been the works of the explicitly stated authors, occuring before SC2's release, well known pop culture - usually sci-fi, uniqueness, and context. I think that we've probably nailed the majority of the captain names and other influences, but what about the cases, like Alura, where it's just a decent guess. My two cents is that we continue to express such uncertainties in the edits, reserving the more definitive statements for the surer references. That said, I think I'll add the rest of these references and see what happens. -- [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:56, 18 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::::Wow, Voltron! I loved that show as a kid. 20 years later and I can still remember the theme song (scary). Now that you bring it up, Princess Allura fits a lot better than Supergirl's mother. She was an important character and did command one of the lions after Sven left. If Chimchim is a reference to the pet in Speed Racer and if Kimba is also a reference to a character in Japanese animation (plus the fact that the entire Shofixti culture was based on the Japanese), this does form a pattern that one of the designers loved Japanese anime. It is possible they accidentally misspelled her name. Knowing this, I would put Princess Allura far ahead of Supergirl's mother (who, as you put it, wasn't that important a character).[[User:PsiPhi|PsiPhi]] 20:42, 18 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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Not to be a jerk or anything, but I'm removing the slylandro etymology remark until someone can provide an external reference for it, i.e. a greek dictionary showing slyl=sky. I remember seeing this over on the Androsynth page and it's rubbed me the wrong way ever since. And don't just point me to the threads on the forum because it's always the same person making this claim, and I'd like something a little more objective. Every greek dictionary I've looked at either has ouranos or aither as the the word for sky. So if you're a proponent of this, I'll gladly eat crow and repost it if you can back it up. [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 06:32, 19 Aug 2005 (CEST)<br />
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===Princess Bride===<br />
The page for [[Tanaka]] contains the following text:<br />
"Trivia: His opening comments of 'you killed my father, my mother, my many brothers, all six of my sisters - prepare to die' are a homage to Inigo Montoya from 'The Princess Bride'". I personally wouldn't know about this so I'm not going to add it here. But if it is verified, it ''would'' belong on this page.<br />
-- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 08:54, 11 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:I might be able to vouch for this, having seen this movie innumerable times while growing up (and a few more times in my "adult" years). In all honesty, I can clearly remember being reminded of this movie when I saw this part of the game (and again when I heard it). I'll make the changes here and in the Tanaka page then. The line possibly being referenced can be found in the [[wikipedia:Count Rugen|Count Rugen]] article. [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:11, 12 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::I wasn't suggesting removing the trivia from the Tanaka page. I'd say it would belong in both. You don't think so? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 05:07, 12 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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:::I guess I kind of jumped the gun there, but I was thinking about removing it from the Tanaka article before your comment. My thinking was that it is a reference/influence that really isn't critical to understanding who Tanaka is and what role he plays in the game. If the trivia appears on the Tanaka page also, then we should put the other trivia found here on the corresponding pages as well. I'd say that if the trivia contributes to our understanding of the original article (like the Androsynth's pink inverted triangle insignia) then it should be included there also; but otherwise, just keep it here. As I see it, this page is for all those quirky references we enjoy finding but that don't really add to the main pages. But, as always, if you want to put it back on the Tanaka page, I won't take it personally. [[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 22:25, 20 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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::::Well, "be bold in editing" is the credo. I'm more interested in the motivations (so that we can come to some guidelines) then this particular case.<br />
::::My view is that each page should be complete in its subject. That doesn't only include the relation between of the subject and the game, but also anything that explains how the game element came to be the way it is. That includes influences imho.<br />
::::I don't consider the Ultronomicon a reference work about just the SC2 game events, but also anything that has anything to do with it.<br />
::::Now if there was a lot to say about each trivia, I'd choose a link to the relevant section of a dedicated trivia page. But the trivia here are no longer than a paragraph.<br />
::::&mdash;[[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 12:30, 21 Oct 2005 (CEST)<br />
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== Graeme ==<br />
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"Graeme is a reference to Donal Graeme, a protagonist in the Childe Cycle novels by Gordon R. Dickson. (This may also be a reference to other characters in this series with this same lastname.)"<br />
Are any of these characters pilots or captains of a space ship? Because if there's only one, it's probably safe to say that's the one the reference is about (as all people from this list are pilots/captains).<br />
&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 15:44, 5 Nov 2005 (CET)<br />
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:I don't know really - haven't had a chance to read or even look at the books. Maybe I'll have to do a run down to the bookstore. There are at least 4 Graeme characters (including Donal) that I have found just by looking at short book reviews and synopses on the web. Anyone know any Dickson fans? I'll keep looking and edit if I find anything along the criterion you mention. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 18:29, 5 Nov 2005 (CET)<br />
:Small update - Donal Graeme is a captain of a starship during at least part of one of the novels. Still don't know about the others though - sorry. I'll keep looking... --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 10:15, 11 Nov 2005 (CET)<br />
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== Constellation names ==<br />
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What's this with all the constellation names? Afaik, every single one of those stars actually exists. As such, they don't belong in the Ultronimocon, and certainly not on this page. They're not references any more than "Jupiter" or "fungus", or "stick" is a reference. That is, they normal real-life terms used exactly as in real life. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 23:52, 3 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
:Not exactly. I added the list, specifically excluding the pre-existing, real-life names (as far as I could tell). About a quarter of the constellation/star names are not actual constellation/star names. A lot of them are references to astronomers or physicists, some of which also have star catalogs, star types, and planetary features named after them (Lalande, Wolf, and Zeeman for example). There are others that might have a sci-fi origin like Arriani or Saurus. And then there are those that refer to things completely unrelated to astronomy (Klystron) or with no apparent source that I can find (Lipi). I guess this arose from some of the discussion on the which form of the constellation names to use in articles. I figured that for completeness, the reference page should also tell where the more esoteric in-game constellation/star names come from. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 01:40, 4 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
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Perhaps there are '''some''' that are made up (after all, more may be named between now and 2155). But with all the stars in the sky, I'd expect that anyone who's had anything to do with astronomy has a star or cluster named after him.<br />
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Also, stars that have latin names appear to be mentioned in the genitive when a prefix word is present. So the star system "taurus" (bull) has the star "alpha tauri" ("A of the bull"). Genitive forms usually have -i, -is or -ae (singular) or "-um", "-orum" or "-arum" (plural; "alpha geminorum" is "A of the twins") suffixes. "Lipi" may be a typo for "Lupi", "Lupus" meaning "wolf" (which is an actual constellation).<br />
&mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 20:39, 4 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
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:Sorry a response has been so delayed - end of the year finals. I see what you're saying, and could go back on my previous arguments and agree with taking off the names like Luyten, Wolf, and others that are part of star names/star catalogs/star types. I'll do some more research over the winter break and see if any others that might fall into this category. I'd still like to leave the others up so people can see where the names might have come from, even if it is from some astronomer not honored in stellar nomenclature like Brahe (I believe there's no star-thingy named after him). And of course, I'll continue to mull this whole issue over.<br />
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:As for the names being in the genitive cases, Phoenix and I had some discussion over at [[Ultronomicon talk:Manual of Style#Constellation names]] about this, and we'd certainly like to hear you're thoughts. For example, do you know of any in-game instance when the nominative form of a latin constellation name is used? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 06:49, 15 Dec 2005 (CET)<br />
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== Raynet ==<br />
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How important is RAYNET, the british amateur radio organization? Unless it's much bigger than I thought, or something special to FF or PR3... I don't expect it would be the source for this name.<br />
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== Utwig captain names ==<br />
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Interesting finds Censored, but I'm not sure if those are so much references as they are coincidences, especially the Duna name (in portuguese in means a sand dune). I don't see how the Danuba river relates to the Utwig. Nestor I might be able to buy, they are kind of elderly and wise, but weren't the robots in asimov's "I, robot" books called nestors (maybe this was only in the movies)? And for Endo, the japanese author maybe if again we can relate him somehow to the utwig personality/culture. I think a stronger possibility might be that endo is a slang term for marijuana - that smoke you see on their bridge, well, that's why they're sooo sad and out of touch with reality (probably got a bad case of the munchies too). --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 09:22, 9 February 2006 (CET)<br />
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== Arilou captain names ==<br />
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Is it possible that the Arilou captain names are "words" from songs? Does anyone recognise any of those names? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 08:48, 6 March 2006 (CET)<br />
:They seem to mostly be nonsense words to me, besides "Dingdup" which sounds like "Dinged up". "Louifoui" might be from a song, although the only one I can think of that's remotely similar would be "Louie Louie". -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 09:41, 6 March 2006 (CET)<br />
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== Trent ==<br />
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Is this possibly a reference to Trent Castanaveras (sp?) of Daniel Keys Moran's _The_Long_Run_. Primarily I'd describe him as a thief, but he's also a competent pilot.<br />
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== Buenos Aires ==<br />
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I added the entry about how Hayes mentioning the destruction of Buenos Aires seems to be a reference to Starship Troopers. Anyone have anything else to mention, questions, etc? [[User:MasterGrazzt|MasterGrazzt]] 03:28, 1 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
:[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]], thanks for correcting my mistake about Buenos Aires being in Peru instead of Argentina. While I hate to invoke the old internet defense of "I was tired", that was indeed the case, as I made that correction very early in the morning during an attack of insomnia. Hopefully, I am allowed to continue adding to this wiki :-). [[User:MasterGrazzt|MasterGrazzt]] 10:29, 3 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
::No problem. We've all done that at one point or another. Welcome to the community and please continue to add. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 21:03, 3 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
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===Other places destroyed===<br />
I've added some possible references for the other places the Ur-Quan destroyed. I grabbed the ones that I could think of first or find easily. I'm assuming that all the places have some kind of importance to mankind's history given the destruction of the other places. Here they are for the talk, and some of my thoughts on them:<br />
*''blew away a kilometer of land in central Iraq''<br />
:My best guess is Babel/Tower of Babel, but could be the Nameless City or Ubar (Iram of Pillars) but those are supposed to be Arabia.<br />
*''vaporized several targets in the Amazon rain forest''<br />
:The only mythology/fiction thing I could come up with was El Dorado, but it might just be other as yet undiscovered cities.<br />
*''punched a big hole through the antarctic icecap to destroy something deep under the surface''<br />
:This one could be a lot of things. My initial search turned up ''The Mountains of Madness'' and Campbell's ''Who goes there?'', which was made into a movie ''The Thing''. I'm not sure if there are some other "buried in antarctic" mythologies that existed prior to 1992 (the X-files movie came out in 1998).<br />
*''melted a broad swath of the ocean floor in the south-eastern Atlantic''<br />
:I thought this was Atlantis, but the south-east location seems a bit odd to me.<br />
Am I missing any other possible references that these might be too? --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 07:32, 7 June 2006 (CEST)<br />
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===Drooge===<br />
Friend in Russian is "друг" which can be transliterated as "drug". I've never guessed that the name "Drooge" is from Russian word for "friend". While translating name "Drooge" was transliterated back to Russian as "Друудж" with absolutely no meaning. [[User:Dmit|Dmit]]<br />
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== Music ==<br />
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I think the Androsynth fanfare sounds an awful lot like the song "Mongoloid" by Devo, or potentially another Devo song since plenty of them have similar riffs. For comparison, see http://andre.facadecomputer.com/mongoloid_vs_androsynth.ogg (I'd love to upload it here but it won't let me). [[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]] 01:55, 13 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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I'm not familiar with Devo, but from what I see on Wikipedia, their matching outfits and kitch sci-fi style do say Androsynth to me. Together with the "Booji-1" Androsynth captain, this music similarity is probably not a coincidence. What kind of problem do you have uploading? Any error messages? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 02:38, 13 March 2007 (CET)<br />
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Yeah, I've never really seen or heard Devo, but from what I knew of them, the Androsynth match pretty well. The shiny glasses, 4 of them in a cockpit (I'm pretty sure Devo had 4 members), and the "ditty" for when they win a combat just ''screams'' Devo, if you ask me. &mdash; [[[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 02:17, 13 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Thiotimoline ==<br />
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I read the Wikipedia article on Thiotimoline, and I don't see very much similarities, other than time travel of information being involved. That's not enough to list it here imho. Is there anything else in the actual Thiotimoline essays that connects it with the Metachron? &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 03:08, 2 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Oh frell, I'm sorry for the delay in response - I didn't see this until just now. The similarity in my mind is that the reaction happens prior to the adding of water, and is a gradual process that can be measured to determine when water will be added (from the first essay). I've recently re-read the first and third essays/stories, but am still searching for the second where I seem to recall that someone was using the endochronic properties to predict if rocket launches would be successful. The third essay goes a little bit more into detail talking about creating devices out of endochronic polymers, but focuses on using them for space/time-travel. Thiotimoline and the metachron are the only scifi devices that I know of that predict their own destruction/dissolution so that's why I originally connected the two and inserted the comment. But if the idea is more prevalent than I thought, or the argument still doesn't cut it without a specific reference, go ahead and remove it and I'll add it back in when/if I find something more definitive. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 03:04, 11 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== The Pootworm and Descartes ==<br />
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Okay, this one got me. Granted I'm no philosophy major, but I'm not a backwater hick. So can someone please explain in what ways the Pootworm dialog is a play on Descartes' "Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum"? For reference, here is the Pootworm dialog:<br />
:"Welcome to our home stars. We are the Pkunk. Pkunk we are. Seekers of the deepest truths, askers of interesting and significant questions. Even now a question of great transcendental significance comes unbidden to our minds. Who are you and what do you want? Do not be frightened. We are powerful creatures, yes but we could not hurt you anymore than we could squish the helpless Pootworm. We love the Pootworm. We are one with the Pootworm. We are one with you. Of course you realize that this means you are one with the Pootworm. Rejoice!! To be one with the Pootworm is to be alive, and why not be alive? Is that not what living is for?"<br />
I could be blind, but I don't see where "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am" is referenced in there. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 07:48, 14 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:"We are one with the Pootworm. We are one with you. Ergo, you are one with the Pootworm. Ergo, you are [alive]"<br />
:There are some similarities, as you see. It's another apparently superfluous tentative to prove that we exist (by using some more particular affirmations). [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 10:53, 14 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::The link with Decartes is indirect. The Pootworm dialog connects with "proof of existence", and only via that do you go to "Decartes". That's one step too many, and hence, considering that there are no other connections, too little to be included here. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 19:21, 19 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== ZFP ==<br />
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Yes, if you try hard enough, you can make up some vague connections. But this page is not about what associations you can come up with (don't even think about it; such a page has no place in the Ultronomicon); it is about things that had influenced TFB and other materials that TFB refered to.<br />
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If this applied to the Zoq/Frog connection, that means that TFB must have had the same connection in imagery that we've determined by poll to be very far-fetched. (Note that it's more likely that the race design came before the artwork). Even for a page in which some "maybe"s are acceptable, this is just too far "out there".<br />
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The "Fot"-".fot file" connection is even more far-fetched. There are only that many three-letter words, neither is really "unnecessary", there are no other similarities, and Windows 3.1 was only just out when TFB were finishing up SC2, at which time they likely had better things to do than look at the internals of Windows. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 18:16, 19 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:Ah, oops (the Fot thingy). About the ZoqFrog I can only say one thing: *FRUMPLE!!!*. And "Nnnnnnnngah! It is *dancing*!". [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 18:20, 19 April 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Stars and constellation influences ==<br />
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[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] removed the Lipi and Vitalis references (Lipi=Lipi Marketing, Vitalis=Saint Vitalis), arguing that they aren't related to science or sci-fi. However, unless a more sci(-fi) reference is found, we can stick with this. After all, who said that FF&PR3 weren't allowed to be influenced by non-sci(-fi) sources?! [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 08:48, 26 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:You are absolutely right that we don't know exactly what FF&PR3 were influenced by, but we can make a good guess based on statements they've made, by the context of the game itself, and similarities to other known influences. The purpose of this page as I see is not to document every coincidence of shared names, but to catalog those for which an argument can be made why they are likely candidates and not happy coincidences nor the first thing that pops up when you google/wikipedia the term. That's my full problem with Lipi and Vitalis. The Vitalis saints and Lipi marketing have nothing to do with science, stars, math, science fiction - in other words, they don't fit the pattern. They look like things that just have the same name. It's a much more extraordinary claim that those are the references/influences for those names because they don't fit the pattern. In the choice between using those references or nothing at all (if nothing can be found), I disagree with you and I'd rather go with nothing. Leaving an entry blank does no harm - it's alright to say that we don't know something; but to claim a coincidence is a possibility simply because the name is or sounds the same is shoddy research and devalues this list.<br />
:I'd say keep searching on the Lipi and Vitalis fronts - it was only today that I found a "Saurus" reference that I like and that I think fits the context, and I've been thinking about these lists off and on for awhile now. Be patient. Coincidences do happen so do the research to make sure the names fit. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 10:05, 26 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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== Ship Designs ==<br />
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I'm not the one who made the initial reference to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought bearing more than a passing resemblance to the Battlestar Galactica, but I do agree with it. Namely, the low profile, long main body, distinctive "head" shape, pods (flight pods on the Galactica, warp pods on the Dreadnought) separated from the main body by "nacelles," a single engine cluster at the end of the rear body and the ability to launch fighters. These are certainly not all features solely distinctive to the Galactica, but they are in tandem. I'm honestly not *too* bothered by the edit by Valaggar, but I personally think the resemblence is far too uncanny for there not to have been a design inspiration there. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 17:37, 27 June 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Druuge&diff=18130Druuge2007-06-26T19:53:36Z<p>24.117.122.78: Then please at least avoid confusing sentence structure</p>
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The '''Druuge''', who reside around the Persei constellation, are greedy, piggish, horned humanoids with a characteristic ooze constantly emanating from the mouth, nose and ears. Their whole culture is an image of extreme capitalism, and all Druuge are the employees of a syndicate they call the [[Crimson Corporation]]. The bosses of this gargantuan corporate empire are no less than the overlords of their whole civilization. <br />
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==History==<br />
Early Druuge history bears a close resemblance to early [[Human]] history. Still, as in the case of [[Syreen]] civilization, minor differences in early social structures have produced a vastly different culture. Similar to Humans, Druuge evolved from primitive hunter-gathers. However, these primitive Druuge remained solitary and never organized themselves into mutually beneficial tribes, thus fostering a greater emphasis on the individual and a greater concern for personal well-being not completely unlike the [[Ur-Quan]].<br />
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Despite their strong, innate individual tendencies, the Druuge created a working civilization. This early society included some form of government, including laws regarding the economy and the interactions of commercial entities. Sometime after their transition to the status of a space-faring race, the Druuge significantly changed their trade laws so that they no longer discouraged the formation of monopolies. Due to this legal relaxation, a single business, the Crimson Corporation, was able to rise to prominence inevitably becoming the only existing Druuge business and the legal owner of everything Druuge. Not only a business, it also operates as the government of the entire Druuge race. All known interactions with the Druuge by other races have been while the Crimson Corporation has been in power.<br />
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In recent years, the Druuge have had encounters with a few other races, initially with the [[Burvixese]] and most notably with the [[Utwig]]. Years before the events surrounding the [[Second War]], the Druuge learned through their neighbors, the Burvixese, about the Utwig and the [[Precursor Bomb]] they possessed. The Druuge initiated contact with the Utwig and offered them the [[Ultron]] with the intention of obtaining the powerful bomb, but instead received "a hodge-podge of ancient and useless artifacts." The Utwig maintain that this exchange will fundamentally change the Druuge as a race, culminating on a specific day in a momentous event of jubilation. The Druuge also had a long history of interactions with the Burvixese, ultimately having a direct hand in their destruction; They placed a powerful [[Burvixese HyperWave Broadcaster|HyperWave 'Caster]] on the Burvixese moon to purposely distract the [[Kohr-Ah]] away from the central Druuge trade world at Zeta Persei. During the Second War [[The Captain]] has several encounters (not all amicable) with the Druuge including one in which he prevents them from obtaining the Utwig Bomb the second time.<br />
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==Society and culture==<br />
The effects of the evolution of early Druuge society are still dominant today. Lacking the "traditional" sense of community, every aspect of Druuge culture can be traced back to their higher level of individualization. A Druuge only finds it useful to cooperate with other beings so far as it benefits himself. Selfless concepts like honor and charity do not exist in their culture. Similar to their individual solitary nature, the Druuge as a race are also reluctant to venture outside of their sphere of influence.<br />
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===Religion===<br />
As with most things in their culture, the Druuge approach their spirituality with a capitalistic attitude. Not satisfied with a tenuous relationship that most other races share with their respective deities, the Druuge have explicitly established a strong relationship by entering into a contract with their god. The contract reads as follows:<br />
:Whereas the Druuge (hereinafter known as `the Worshippers') wish to establish a long-term relationship with an omnipotent and all-knowing deific entity (hereinafter known as `God' or `god') which shall mutually benefit both parties, the parties agree to abide by the following terms and commitments for the rest of eternity.<br />
:The Worshippers hereby promise to perform faithfully and to the best of their ability the following:<br />
:# Worshippers shall make regular and sincere obeisance to God, including but not limited to prayer, sacrifice, and the building of large structures.<br />
:# Worshippers shall make every attempt to convert non-believers (hereinafter known as `Them') making sure to obtain signed documents from same attesting to said conversion.<br />
:# Worshippers shall not enter into an agreement with another deity, without written permission from God.<br />
:In consideration of the above correctly performed obeisance, God shall provide:<br />
:# Continued existance with little or no modification to the perceived reality of the Worshippers.<br />
:# No fewer than 3 miracles (Force Majeure), whose exact nature and timing shall be left to God's sole discretion.<br />
:# Worshippers shall enjoy some form of life after death which shall remain a complete and total mystery to the Worshippers until such time as they die.<br />
:We, the undersigned, hereby swear to fulfill our obligations as defined above.<br />
::Signed, The Druuge.<br />
::(God, being omni-present and all-knowing is considered to have signed this document, by default.)<br />
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===Family===<br />
Druuge families are viewed as profit-making ventures. Druuge males and females desiring to engage in this kind of speculative investment meet at "Repro Mixers" to find mutually acceptable partners. Once an acceptable business partner is found, both parties proceed through the business arrangements &mdash; negotiating the terms of agreement, filling out the appropriate forms, and engaging in the necessary carnal interactions. Offspring from such a union are automatically part of the venture with terms that ensure the parents a 12-18% royalty on the offspring's income. It is therefore typical for a parent to allocate a significant amount funds for the education and training of any offspring to increase the rate of return on their investment.<br />
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===Economy and government===<br />
Life in the Crimson Corporation is typical: there are good times, when benefit packages and bonuses improve and bad times, when the corporation has to lay off some employees. Only, if you're out of job, you're out of luck. Because everything on Druuge worlds is corporation property, every ex-employee is instantly trespassing and guilty of stealing corporation property, like air and sunlight. The only suitable punishment in Druuge laws for that is to feed the [[Furnace]].<br />
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By their own words they are merchants, but a word like "slave-trader" would suit them more. These silver-tongued devils always try to get alien captains to exchange their crew for fuel, "priceless Alien-artifacts" and [[Mauler]] starships. In these trades the Druuge always cheat and lie to their heart's content, anything to maximize their profit, but they might get hostile very fast if they feel they have been taken advantage of in a deal.<br />
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Druuge starship bridges are a disturbing sight to behold as even the captains are in slave cloths and bound to chains. The crew (especially the unfortunate exchanged alien crew) are used as a living cannon fodder in battle when the ship needs more energy. They are ruthlessly thrown into the furnace for a bit of extra man-power.<br />
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The Druuge have a law stating that any unarmed ship without escort (no attack ships), is susceptible to salvage. This means that if the Druuge encounter an unarmed and unescorted ship (e.g. yours), they will attack immediately.<br />
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==Relations with other races==<br />
===Burvixese===<br />
The Druuge had a long-term trade relationship with the [[Burvixese]] initially, the profitability of which was assumably poor, due to the Druuge's later scheme involving them. The Burvixese were quite friendly with the Druuge, and not only facilitated communications and trading between the Druuge and [[Utwig]], but warned the Druuge of the approaching [[Kohr-Ah]] after they had in turn been warned by the [[Gg]]. <br />
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Unfortunatley, the friendship was not mutual and the Druuge, looking to save their own hides, constructed a [[Hyperwave Caster]] on the surface of the Burvixese moon in a successful attempt to deflect the Kohr-Ah away from themselves and onto the Burvixese instead. The Burvixese were rendered extinct by the Kohr-Ah in 2142 as a direct result of this act.<br />
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===Humans===<br />
When [[The Captain]] first encounters the Druuge in space, they immediatley extend a friendly offer to visit their Central Trade World of [[Zeta Persei I]], to form a profitable trading relationship. Upon visiting, The Captain is horrified to find out that the Druuge economy amounts to little more than slave trading (though the Druuge vociferously deny such accusations). The Captain manages to obtain the [[Rosy Sphere]] through trade (either selling his crew away as slaves, or finding an item the Druuge desire to have instead), and eventually uses it to repair the Utwig's [[Ultron]].<br />
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However, when The Captain attempts to retrieve the Utwig's reward of the Precursor Bomb from Zeta Hyades VIb, the Druuge have already blockaded the planet in an attempt to retrieve it for themselves. In the following altercation, the Druuge enter The Captain's "true name" into their Ledger of Hatred, and from then on all Druuge are hostile towards The Captain. It is not known if this attitude is extended to all humans, or exactly how large this Ledger is. If the Druuge tend to dislike other races to to the same extent that other races dislike them, the Ledger would presumably be very large.<br />
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===Melnorme===<br />
The Druuge seem to hate the [[Melnorme]] with a passion, as they inform The Captain (and presumably, any other travellers) of the Melnorme's existance and attempt to paint them in a quite unfavourable light, decrying their information trade as "charging fees for common knowledge", and mocking their fuel prices. They even go as far as to encourage The Captain to destroy Melnorme vessels, as the resources that can be gained from plundering a wrecked [[Trader]] vessel are spectacular; it should be noted that this is false, a single Melnorme wreck is worth only 450 [[Resource Units]].<br />
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The Melnorme feel the same way about the Druuge, and for the usual fee will warn The Captain against interacting with the Druuge, claiming they levy hidden costs and secret tariffs on their wares. However, the Melnorme are more civil in their exposition and do not encourage violence against the Druuge.<br />
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===Utwig===<br />
The Druuge had a brief encounter with the [[Utwig]] race, after learning from the [[Burvixese]] that the Utwig had discovered a [[Utwig Bomb|Precursor bomb]] on their recent explorations. The Druuge attempted to sell the [[Ultron]] to the Utwig in return for the bomb, believing the Ultron to be useless junk. However, the trade turned sour when the Ultron seemingly empowered the Utwig with clairovoyance, and the Druuge had to leave with a hodge-podge of useless artifacts, lest they spoil the ruse.<br />
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While the Utwig to this day see the Druuge as benevolent, this is far from mutual as the Druuge see the Utwig as little more than prancing, whining and naive fools apt only for taking advantage of.<br />
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[[Image:Star_control_i_syreen_penetrator_databank.png|thumb|225px|Starship Databank Entry]] <br />
The [[Syreen]] '''Penetrator''' is lightly crewed and not terribly powerful in terms of offensive weaponry, but it is able to use "wiles" strengthen itself while weakening enemy ships. With the [[Mycon]] [[Podship]] and the [[Pkunk]] [[Fury]], the Penetrator is one of the few ships able to come out of battle stronger than they went in.<br />
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==Navigation==<br />
The Penetrator has a good turn-rate and a fair speed but suffers from a somewhat lacking acceleration. Its shape, center of gravity and turn-rate can be masterfully combined into an orbiting maneuver, during which the Penetrator circles a planet until it found the direction it wants to use a Gravity-whip maneuver.<br />
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==Armament==<br />
===Primary===<br />
The Penetrator's primary weapon is a weak, forward-firing weapon with a fair range and acceptable firing rate. Normally it is used for nothing but finishing off a Psi-resistant captain. This weapon is more commonly known as a "Particle Beam Stilleto," or alternatively as a "light Electron Dagger."<br />
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===Secondary===<br />
To compensate for its lack of offensive power, the Penetrator captain employs the "Syreen Song", a short-range hypnosis field designed to lure enemy crew from their ships via the airlocks. The effectiveness of the Syreen Song decreases with distance. When the ships are right next to eachother, eight crew members may desert, but a ship will never be abandoned altogether. If the Penetrator picks up the crew, they will willingly serve alongside the Syreen as members of the Penetrator's crew; if the enemy ship reclaims their crew, they are able to counteract the effects of the hypnosis field -- at least for a while. During the war, crews on board Syreen ships became a surreal pastiche of alien races, with [[Ilwrath]], [[VUX]], [[Spathi]] and others working dutifully side by side with human volunteers under the command of beautiful Syreen officers.<br />
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The "Syreen Song" has no effect on non-sentient beings like the [[Slylandro]] [[Probe]].<br />
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==Tactical Overview==<br />
Against most ships, the tactic is pretty straightforward -- close in quickly, evade incoming fire, and use the "Syreen Song" to bolster your ranks and weaken the enemy's. Once you have made the enemy's crew your own, finish them off with a few quick shots. <br />
Slow ships are the prefereable targets for Penetrator captains. <br />
Ships with good turn rates and/or good firing rates are what Syreen captains fear most.<br />
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'''Strong Against''': <br />
[[Mycon]] [[Podship]] - The Penetrator can outrun a plasmoid but only if already at its best speed. If the Mycon try to regenerate lost crew, the Penetrator should hold patiently and let the Mycon send more crewmen - or Crew-Fungi - prey for the Syreen Song. <br />
The [[Ilwrath]] [[Avenger]] is also easy prey for the Penetrator, as the Syreen Song is effective even when the Avenger is cloaked, and the Penetrator's engines can easily keep the ship out of the Avenger's attack range. <br />
[[Chenjesu]] [[Broodhome]] ships are quite pained, trying to keep the Penetrator off their back. <br />
[[Earthling]] [[Cruiser]]s may have a good turning rate but once the initial Dual missile barrage is off, the dismal recharge-rate usually forces the Cruiser captain into a "Scorched Earth" tactic - Point-defense Lasering his own crew rather than seeing them onboard the penetrator. The slick penetrator easily dodges the cumbersome nukes. <br />
After mastering the art of evading the [[Kohr-Ah]] spinning blades, Penetrators can launch a nasty surprise for the over-confident [[Marauder]] captain. <br />
[[Umgah]] [[Drone]]s are a nice source of crew. Just go in front of it (so that you are not touched by the Anti-Matter cone) and use the Syreen Song to lure all its crew out, and fly around the ship to catch them. The Drone often accidentally kills the crew, flying towards you firing all the time. If the Drone rams at you with the backward going device, you'll be flying fast. When the Drone has only 1 crew left, wait for it to use its retro-propulsion and then fire.<br />
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'''Weak Against''': <br />
Ships like the [[Shofixti]] [[Scout]] with its glory device or fast-turning, quick firing ships such as the [[X-Form]] in Laser mode, the [[Utwig]] [[Jugger]] and the [[Yehat]] [[Terminator]]. <br />
It is also easy prey for the [[Slylandro]] [[Probe]], with the Probe's superior maneuverability and invulnerability to the Song.<br />
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[[Category:Syreen]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=User_talk:Valaggar&diff=18127User talk:Valaggar2007-06-26T08:54:30Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>Do no modify my user pages, including my to do list. If you think something should be different there, put it on the talk page. &mdash; [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 02:34, 2 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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Hey Val, while I appreciate your enthusiasm, it's not good form to simply blank a page you think should be deleted. While I agree for the most part on those pages, some may not, so it's generally considered polite to put a comment on the talk page - and then wait awhile (like a few days or a week) for people to reply. I've turned the individual star pages into the appropriate redirects, but I'm more hesitant about the constellation pages. As such, I'm reverting those ones back - we can discuss their value and future on their respective talk pages, again giving others a chance to respond. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 11:53, 16 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:I apologize for taking action in such a rude manner - I sometimes make such blunders. See my thesis at [[Category talk:Constellations]]. [[User:Valaggar|Valaggar]] 13:22, 16 June 2007 (CEST)<br />
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I've been editing this wiki for a very long time under various IP addresses without registering a username. I think I'm just fine with anonymous contributions. So no thanks for the whole registration thing. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 10:54, 26 June 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Druuge&diff=18118Druuge2007-06-25T17:26:56Z<p>24.117.122.78: The overload of information is not necessary</p>
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<div>{{RaceBox|name=Druuge|image=DruugeComm.png|caption=Property of The Crimson Corporation|homeworld=[[Zeta Persei I]]|coordinates=946.9 : 280.6|organizations=The [[Crimson Corporation]]|ship=[[Mauler]]}}<br />
The '''Druuge''' are greedy, piggish, horned humanoids who reside around the Persei constellation. Their whole culture is an image of extreme capitalism, and all Druuge are the employees of a syndicate they call the [[Crimson Corporation]]. The bosses of this gargantuan corporate empire are no less than the overlords of their whole civilization. <br />
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==History==<br />
Early Druuge history bears a close resemblance to early [[Human]] history. Still, as in the case of [[Syreen]] civilization, minor differences in early social structures have produced a vastly different culture. Similar to Humans, Druuge evolved from primitive hunter-gathers. However, these primitive Druuge remained solitary and never organized themselves into mutually beneficial tribes, thus fostering a greater emphasis on the individual and a greater concern for personal well-being not completely unlike the [[Ur-Quan]].<br />
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Despite their strong, innate individual tendencies, the Druuge created a working civilization. This early society included some form of government, including laws regarding the economy and the interactions of commercial entities. Sometime after their transition to the status of a space-faring race, the Druuge significantly changed their trade laws so that they no longer discouraged the formation of monopolies. Due to this legal relaxation, a single business, the Crimson Corporation, was able to rise to prominence inevitably becoming the only existing Druuge business and the legal owner of everything Druuge. Not only a business, it also operates as the government of the entire Druuge race. All known interactions with the Druuge by other races have been while the Crimson Corporation has been in power.<br />
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In recent years, the Druuge have had encounters with a few other races, initially with the [[Burvixese]] and most notably with the [[Utwig]]. Years before the events surrounding the [[Second War]], the Druuge learned through their neighbors, the Burvixese, about the Utwig and the [[Precursor Bomb]] they possessed. The Druuge initiated contact with the Utwig and offered them the [[Ultron]] with the intention of obtaining the powerful bomb, but instead received "a hodge-podge of ancient and useless artifacts." The Utwig maintain that this exchange will fundamentally change the Druuge as a race, culminating on a specific day in a momentous event of jubilation. The Druuge also had a long history of interactions with the Burvixese, ultimately having a direct hand in their destruction; They placed a powerful [[Burvixese HyperWave Broadcaster|HyperWave 'Caster]] on the Burvixese moon to purposely distract the [[Kohr-Ah]] away from the central Druuge trade world at Zeta Persei. During the Second War [[The Captain]] has several encounters (not all amicable) with the Druuge including one in which he prevents them from obtaining the Utwig Bomb the second time.<br />
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==Society and culture==<br />
The effects of the evolution of early Druuge society are still dominant today. Lacking the "traditional" sense of community, every aspect of Druuge culture can be traced back to their higher level of individualization. A Druuge only finds it useful to cooperate with other beings so far as it benefits himself. Selfless concepts like honor and charity do not exist in their culture. Similar to their individual solitary nature, the Druuge as a race are also reluctant to venture outside of their sphere of influence.<br />
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===Religion===<br />
As with most things in their culture, the Druuge approach their spirituality with a capitalistic attitude. Not satisfied with a tenuous relationship that most other races share with their respective deities, the Druuge have explicitly established a strong relationship by entering into a contract with their god. The contract reads as follows:<br />
:Whereas the Druuge (hereinafter known as `the Worshippers') wish to establish a long-term relationship with an omnipotent and all-knowing deific entity (hereinafter known as `God' or `god') which shall mutually benefit both parties, the parties agree to abide by the following terms and commitments for the rest of eternity.<br />
:The Worshippers hereby promise to perform faithfully and to the best of their ability the following:<br />
:# Worshippers shall make regular and sincere obeisance to God, including but not limited to prayer, sacrifice, and the building of large structures.<br />
:# Worshippers shall make every attempt to convert non-believers (hereinafter known as `Them') making sure to obtain signed documents from same attesting to said conversion.<br />
:# Worshippers shall not enter into an agreement with another deity, without written permission from God.<br />
:In consideration of the above correctly performed obeisance, God shall provide:<br />
:# Continued existance with little or no modification to the perceived reality of the Worshippers.<br />
:# No fewer than 3 miracles (Force Majeure), whose exact nature and timing shall be left to God's sole discretion.<br />
:# Worshippers shall enjoy some form of life after death which shall remain a complete and total mystery to the Worshippers until such time as they die.<br />
:We, the undersigned, hereby swear to fulfill our obligations as defined above.<br />
::Signed, The Druuge.<br />
::(God, being omni-present and all-knowing is considered to have signed this document, by default.)<br />
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===Family===<br />
Druuge families are viewed as profit-making ventures. Druuge males and females desiring to engage in this kind of speculative investment meet at "Repro Mixers" to find mutually acceptable partners. Once an acceptable business partner is found, both parties proceed through the business arrangements &mdash; negotiating the terms of agreement, filling out the appropriate forms, and engaging in the necessary carnal interactions. Offspring from such a union are automatically part of the venture with terms that ensure the parents a 12-18% royalty on the offspring's income. It is therefore typical for a parent to allocate a significant amount funds for the education and training of any offspring to increase the rate of return on their investment.<br />
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===Economy and government===<br />
Life in the Crimson Corporation is typical: there are good times, when benefit packages and bonuses improve and bad times, when the corporation has to lay off some employees. Only, if you're out of job, you're out of luck. Because everything on Druuge worlds is corporation property, every ex-employee is instantly trespassing and guilty of stealing corporation property, like air and sunlight. The only suitable punishment in Druuge laws for that is to feed the [[Furnace]].<br />
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By their own words they are merchants, but a word like "slave-trader" would suit them more. These silver-tongued devils always try to get alien captains to exchange their crew for fuel, "priceless Alien-artifacts" and [[Mauler]] starships. In these trades the Druuge always cheat and lie to their heart's content, anything to maximize their profit, but they might get hostile very fast if they feel they have been taken advantage of in a deal.<br />
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Druuge starship bridges are a disturbing sight to behold as even the captains are in slave cloths and bound to chains. The crew (especially the unfortunate exchanged alien crew) are used as a living cannon fodder in battle when the ship needs more energy. They are ruthlessly thrown into the furnace for a bit of extra man-power.<br />
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The Druuge have a law stating that any unarmed ship without escort (no attack ships), is susceptible to salvage. This means that if the Druuge encounter an unarmed and unescorted ship (e.g. yours), they will attack immediately.<br />
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==Relations with other races==<br />
===Burvixese===<br />
The Druuge had a long-term trade relationship with the [[Burvixese]] initially, the profitability of which was assumably poor, due to the Druuge's later scheme involving them. The Burvixese were quite friendly with the Druuge, and not only facilitated communications and trading between the Druuge and [[Utwig]], but warned the Druuge of the approaching [[Kohr-Ah]] after they had in turn been warned by the [[Gg]]. <br />
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Unfortunatley, the friendship was not mutual and the Druuge, looking to save their own hides, constructed a [[Hyperwave Caster]] on the surface of the Burvixese moon in a successful attempt to deflect the Kohr-Ah away from themselves and onto the Burvixese instead. The Burvixese were rendered extinct by the Kohr-Ah in 2142 as a direct result of this act.<br />
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===Humans===<br />
When [[The Captain]] first encounters the Druuge in space, they immediatley extend a friendly offer to visit their Central Trade World of [[Zeta Persei I]], to form a profitable trading relationship. Upon visiting, The Captain is horrified to find out that the Druuge economy amounts to little more than slave trading (though the Druuge vociferously deny such accusations). The Captain manages to obtain the [[Rosy Sphere]] through trade (either selling his crew away as slaves, or finding an item the Druuge desire to have instead), and eventually uses it to repair the Utwig's [[Ultron]].<br />
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However, when The Captain attempts to retrieve the Utwig's reward of the Precursor Bomb from Zeta Hyades VIb, the Druuge have already blockaded the planet in an attempt to retrieve it for themselves. In the following altercation, the Druuge enter The Captain's "true name" into their Ledger of Hatred, and from then on all Druuge are hostile towards The Captain. It is not known if this attitude is extended to all humans, or exactly how large this Ledger is. If the Druuge tend to dislike other races to to the same extent that other races dislike them, the Ledger would presumably be very large.<br />
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===Melnorme===<br />
The Druuge seem to hate the [[Melnorme]] with a passion, as they inform The Captain (and presumably, any other travellers) of the Melnorme's existance and attempt to paint them in a quite unfavourable light, decrying their information trade as "charging fees for common knowledge", and mocking their fuel prices. They even go as far as to encourage The Captain to destroy Melnorme vessels, as the resources that can be gained from plundering a wrecked [[Trader]] vessel are spectacular; it should be noted that this is false, a single Melnorme wreck is worth only 450 [[Resource Units]].<br />
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The Melnorme feel the same way about the Druuge, and for the usual fee will warn The Captain against interacting with the Druuge, claiming they levy hidden costs and secret tariffs on their wares. However, the Melnorme are more civil in their exposition and do not encourage violence against the Druuge.<br />
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===Utwig===<br />
The Druuge had a brief encounter with the [[Utwig]] race, after learning from the [[Burvixese]] that the Utwig had discovered a [[Utwig Bomb|Precursor bomb]] on their recent explorations. The Druuge attempted to sell the [[Ultron]] to the Utwig in return for the bomb, believing the Ultron to be useless junk. However, the trade turned sour when the Ultron seemingly empowered the Utwig with clairovoyance, and the Druuge had to leave with a hodge-podge of useless artifacts, lest they spoil the ruse.<br />
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While the Utwig to this day see the Druuge as benevolent, this is far from mutual as the Druuge see the Utwig as little more than prancing, whining and naive fools apt only for taking advantage of.<br />
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The [[Star Control|Star Control 1]] manual mentions "Inspired by the Works of Fiction of: [[wikipedia:Orson Scott Card|Orson Scott Card]], [[wikipedia:Larry Niven|Larry Niven]], [[wikipedia:Andre Norton|Andre Norton]], [[wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]], [[wikipedia:Robert A. Heinlein|Robert A. Heinlein]], [[wikipedia:Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke]], [[wikipedia:Jack Vance|Jack Vance]], [[wikipedia:Alan Dean Foster|Alan Dean Foster]], [[wikipedia:Keith Laumer|Keith Laumer]], [[wikipedia:A. E. Van Vogt|A.E. Van Vogt]], [[wikipedia:E. E. Smith|E.E. "Doc" Smith]], [[wikipedia:Joe Haldeman|Joe Haldeman]], [[wikipedia:Dan Simmons|Dan Simmons]], [[wikipedia:Fred Saberhagen|Fred Saberhagen]] and 100 worthy others."<br />
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==Alien design==<br />
The names of certain races introduced in [[Star Control II]] are taken from the so-called "[[Professor Zorg's Guide to Alien Etiquette]]" (the copy-protection of Star Control): [[Orz]], [[Pkunk]], [[Slylandro]], [[Supox]], [[Thraddash]] (as "Thrddash"), [[Utwig]], and [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]].<br />
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The name [[Androsynth]] is taken from the Greek "andros" ("man") and "synthetic" from Greek "syn" ("together") and "thesis" ("put"), or as the [[Star Control II]] manual says it "fake men".<br />
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The pink triangle on the suits of the Androsynth in [[SuperMelee]] is a [[wikipedia:Pink triangle|gay symbol]].<br />
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The Star Control 2 manual describes the [[Chenjesu]] as being "a bit more equal" than the other [[Alliance]] races, which is a reference to a [[wikipedia:Seven Commandments|similar statement]] found in ''[[wikipedia:Animal Farm|Animal Farm]]'' by [[wikipedia:George Orwell|George Orwell]].<br />
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The name [[Drall]] is also used for a species in the Star Wars Expanded Universe, which lives on a planet with the same name in the Corellian System. The only reference to the [[wikipedia:List of Star Wars races (A-E)#Drall|Star Wars Drall]] prior to 1992 (pre-SC2) is in ''[[wikipedia:Han Solo and the Lost Legacy|Han Solo and the Lost Legacy]]'', where one is described as being "oily-skinned" with a gleaming red hide. <br />
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The name [[Druuge]] is pronounced almost exactly like the ancient Persian word "druj" - a term of [[wikipedia:Zoroastrianism|Zoroastrian religion]] that is very roughly translated as "daeva (demon) of lies". Since the Druuge are proven liars and resemble the [[wikipedia:Daeva|daevas]], which are described as "beings with combined human and animal characteristics," this may have been an influence.<br />
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The [[Ilwrath]] were named after a friend of the creators (XXX: both?) named McIlwraith.<br />
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The name [[Melnorme]] is a reference to jazz singer [[wikipedia:Mel Tormé|Mel Tormé]].<br />
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The [[Mycon]] is taken from the Greek prefix "myc-" or "myco-", which means Fungus.<br />
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The [[Orz]] and the disappearance of the [[Androsynth]] were influenced by [[wikipedia:H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft]]'s writings. (XXX: need more exact references). The *fingers* may originate from Asimov's story "[[wikipedia:Catch that Rabbit|Catch that Rabbit]]" where a robot known as DV-5 has six other robots under its control which are refered to as "fingers".<br />
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Utricularia, as in ''[[Supox]] Utricularia'', is a genus of carnivorous plants more commonly known as [[Wikipedia:Bladderwort|Bladderwort]].<br />
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The [[Shofixti]] are inspired by the historical [[wikipedia:History of Japan|Japanese culture]].<br />
"[[Kyabetsu]]", the name of the former Shofixti homeworld, means "cabbage". The tiny main gun of their [[Scout]] ships is called the Mendokusai Energy Dart; "Mendoukusai" in Japanese means "irritating; bothersome."<br />
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[[Spathi]] is "Sword" in Greek. Maybe, the name is meant to be very ironical, because the Spathi are so cowardly. Also, the rumours of the Black Spathi Squadron are most likely a reference to the [[Wikipedia:VMA-214|Black Sheep Squadron]] from World War 2.<br />
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The [[Syreen]] are based on the [[wikipedia:Siren|Siren]]s from classical mythology. They were sea nymphs who would use enchanting song to lure ships onto the cliffs.<br />
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The [[Yehat]] are inspired in part by the [[wikipedia:Scottish clan|Scottish clan]]s and by [[Wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]]'s [[Wikipedia:Uplift Universe|Uplift]] series.<br />
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===Larry Niven influences===<br />
A number of aliens draw some of their inspiration from Niven's [[wikipedia:Known Space|Known Space]] novels. Fred and Paul have openly admitted in a [[TFB chat protocols|1998 IRC chat]] to being influenced by these novels.{{ref|1}}<br />
*The [[Dnyarri]] are very similar in description, powers, and history to the [[wikipedia:Thrint|Thrint]]un race, "a long-extinct species which ruled the galaxy through telepathic mind control." Like the [[wikipedia:Grogs|Grogs]], the Talking Pets are devolved forms of a once-great race.<br />
*The [[Precursors]] are also slightly similar to the Thrintun who likewise left behind relics to be used by the modern-day characters in Niven's novels and who were given a vague moniker, "Slavers", by later races since their real name was unknown.<br />
*Though not physiologically, the [[Spathi]] resemble less advanced versions of the cowardly [[wikipedia:Pierson's Puppeteer|Pierson's Puppeteer]]s.<br />
*The [[Arilou]], in their speculated capacity as genetic manipulators of humanity, are also similar to the Puppeteers.<br />
*The [[Melnorme]], like the [[wikipedia:Outsiders (Known Space)|Outsiders]], are traveling merchants who trade in information and will answer any question for the right price.<br />
**The [[Keel-Verezy]] may be similar to the [[wikipedia:Starseed|Starseeds]], sharing a similar relation with the [[Melnorme]] as the starseeds with the Outsiders.<br />
*The [[Shofixti]] are similar in appearance and warlike tendencies to the [[wikipedia:kzin|kzin]].<br />
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===StarFlight influences===<br />
The creators of [[Star Control]] and [[Star Control 2]] worked in the making of the [[wikipedia:StarFlight|StarFlight]] games as well, and some SC elements are clearly inspired from the SF universe:<br />
*The name [[Arilou Lalee'lay]] may originate from the StarFlight race Aeoruiiaeo.<br />
*Physically, the [[Umgah]] resemble the Spemin. In terms of behavior, they are almost identical to the Teeelveee.<br />
*Culturally and psychologically, the [[Utwig]] resemble the Dweenle - and, in a lesser degree, the Lieu Vadish.<br />
**The [[VUX]] also appear to be influenced by the Lieu Vadish.<br />
*The [[Supox]] greatly resemble the Elowan.<br />
*The [[Mmrnmhrm]] resemble the Mechan.<br />
*Physically, the [[Mycon]] resemble the Nathracch.<br />
*The useless [[Wimbli's Trident]] and [[Glowing Rod]] resemble some similar, useless "alien curiosities" from StarFlight.<br />
*The denomination "[[Interstar Credits]]" is probably inspired from the name of the currency in the game, "Interstel Credits".<br />
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==Dialog==<br />
The default name of [[The Captain]], Zelnick, may come from Strauss Zelnick, the CEO of [[Crystal Dynamics]] at the time of the 3DO version of Star Control II was being made. The producer of the 3DO version of Star Control II was Crystal Dynamics.<br />
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====Arilou====<br />
The [[Arilou]]'s final remark "Be seeing you..." may be a reference to the tv series [[wikipedia:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]].<br />
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====Ilwrath====<br />
One of the gods that the [[Ilwrath]] used to worship was called "Awk of Seds", a reference to the text processing programs [[wikipedia:AWK programming language|awk]] and [[wikipedia:sed|sed]].<br />
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[[wikipedia:Captain Satellite|Captain Satellite]], which the [[Ilwrath]] confess to have watched on [[Channel 44]] prior to [[Dogar and Kazon]]'s transmissions, was a show on KTVU-2 in Oakland, California.<br />
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====Melnorme====<br />
The Melnorme line "This very morning, I was just saying to subordinate Ochre `Fe-Fi-Fo-Fum! I smell the feet of a Hu-Hu-Man!'" refers to the fairy tale [[Wikipedia:Jack and the Beanstalk|Jack and the Beanstalk]], where an ogre (a flesh-eating giant) speaks the line "Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman.". The similarity between the subordiate's name "Ochre" and "ogre" is probably not a coincidence either.<br />
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The phrase "itchy pods" from the Melnorme line "I had itchy pods this morning, Captain, and here you are!" may come from the wives' tale of "itchy palms" that predict wealth. It may have also been influenced, consciously or unconsciously, by [[wikipedia:Dr. Seuss|Dr. Seuss]]' book "On Beyond Zebra", which introduces the letter "ITCH" with the line "And 'way, 'way past Z is a letter called ITCH. And the ITCH is for Itch-a-pods, animals which [...]".<br />
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====Pkunk====<br />
[[The Captain]]'s remark to the [[Pkunk]] "Hey! Bird-brains! Got any fruit loops? Har-har-har!" refers to a brand of breakfast cereal called [[wikipedia:Froot Loops|Froot Loops]], which features a toucan resembling the Pkunk as its mascot.<br />
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The Pkunk say that they insult their foes to keep from "wrapping around" to evil; this is a programmer's joke about the nature of integers under the C programming language (and many others.) If you increase a number past its maximum (for example, 128 in an 8 bit integer) it suddenly becomes negative (-127, in this example.)<br />
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The Pkunk mention channeling a ancient warrior called [[Rumdumdaddy]], which is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Ramtha|Ramtha]], an ancient Lemurian warrior that [[wikipedia:JZ Knight|JZ Knight]] claims to channel.<br />
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Many Pkunk dialog is a play on Far East/New Age philosophies. The Pkunk's observation that everyone in their past lives were famous, rich or interesting, and that hence other people don't reincarnate makes fun of the readings of so-called psychic mediums, who generally try to inspire faith by telling people what they want to hear.<br />
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====Shofixti====<br />
[[Tanaka]]'s opening comments, "you killed my father, my mother, my many brothers, all six of my sisters - in fact, my entire race! Prepare to die," may pay homage to the movie [[wikipedia:The Princess Bride|The Princess Bride]], in which the character [[wikipedia:Inigo Montoya|Inigo Montoya]] has prepared a similar comment for when he confronts his father's murderer, [[wikipedia:Count Rugen|Count Rugen]].<br />
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====Slylandro====<br />
When you choose the aggressive lines to speak towards the [[Slylandro]] [[Probe]]s, the third time you get the response "ENACTING THIRD LAW." before combat is initiated. This refers to Isaac Asimov's [[wikipedia:Three Laws of Robotics|Three Laws of Robotics]]. The third law says "A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.". The Probe's version must not have the first clause as the first law says "A robot may not harm a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.". (Alternatively, its First Law applies to solely to its creator race, which grant humans and other sentients no special protection.) Also the [[Slylandro]] will go "to seek out new life and new civilizations, to go where no catalog item 2418 Remote Self-replicating robot probe had gone before." when asked about the programming of the probes, a reference to Star Trek.<br />
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====Spathi====<br />
When the [[Spathi]] [[The Safe Ones|Safe Ones]] ask the player for the [[Secret Spathi Cypher]], one of the incorrect options is "Wagh-nagl Fthagn", which spelled a little bit differently ("Wgah'nagl Fhtagn") comes from "''Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!''", a liturgical phrase in H. P. Lovecraft's [[wikipedia:Cthulhu mythos|Cthulhu mythos]]. <br />
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One of the other options for the Spathi Cypher, "Gort, merenga!" comes from the movie "[[wikipedia:The Day the Earth Stood Still|The Day the Earth Stood Still]]".<br />
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====Starbase====<br />
When [[The Captain]] gets to choose the name for the [[New Alliance of Free Stars|new alliance]], one of his options is "The United Federation of Worlds", a reference to the [[Wikipedia:United Federation of Planets|United Federation of Planets]] from Star Trek. [[Starbase]] Commander [[Hayes]] will reply to this choice by saying "we will make it so", another reference to Star Trek, where captain [[Wikipedia:Jean-Luc Picard|Jean-Luc Picard]] would frequently order to "make it so".<br />
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Commander Hayes mentions early on that the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] annihilated Buenos Aires. This is most likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Robert A. Heinlein|Robert Heinlein]]'s novel [[wikipedia:Starship Troopers|Starship Troopers]], where the alien race humanity is fighting against similarly destroy Argentina's capital.<br />
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Commander Hayes also mentions that when the Ur-Quan destroyed much of mankind's history, they also destroyed several places without any known value. These places likely correspond to locations in popular fiction and mythology. They are:<br />
*"kilometer of land in central Iraq" - possibly the biblical [[Wikipedia:Babel|Babel]], [[Wikipedia:The Nameless City|The Nameless City]] from the works of H. P. Lovecraft, or [[Wikipedia:Iram of the Pillars|Iram of the Pillars]]<br />
*"several targets in the Amazon rain forest" - possibly [[Wikipedia:El Dorado|El Dorado]] or simply just other undiscovered city centers in the Amazon jungle<br />
*"something deep under the surface [of the Antarctic icecap]" - possibly a reference to the alien city discovered in H. P. Lovecraft's ''[[Wikipedia:At the Mountains of Madness|At the Mountains of Madness]]''<br />
*"broad swath of the ocean floor in the south-eastern Atlantic" - possibly [[Wikipedia:Atlantis|Atlantis]]<br />
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The idea of a "[[psychon]]" present in Commander Hayes' statement that when an electric current is fed into the [[Taalo Shield]] "all evidence of psychon interaction is flatlined" probably originates from [[wikipedia:Sir John Eccles|Sir John Eccles]]' psychon theory, presented in his book "[[wikipedia:How the Self Controls Its Brain|How the Self Controls Its Brain]]".<br />
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====Utwig====<br />
When the [[Utwig]] are trying to tell you what to do with the [[Precursor Bomb]], at one point they say that the "Bomb must be...Hugged?" This is likely a reference to the movie [[Wikipedia:Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb|Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb]].<br />
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One of the ways that the Utwig determined that the [[Ultron]] could have been saved was by cushioning the fall with a fuzzy wumpus. A Wumpus is a mysterious monster from the famous, early computer game [[Wikipedia:Hunt the Wumpus|Hunt the Wumpus]].<br />
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When describing the [[Kohr-Ah]], the Utwig say that their stated purpose is "to seek out new life and new civilizations...and then annihilate them," a clear play on the mission statement of the [[Wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] of [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]] fame.<br />
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The Utwig parting phrase "May the Ultron be with you!" is a variation on the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] phrase "May the Force be with you."<br />
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The [[Chief Groo]]'s name may originate from [[wikipedia:Groo the Wanderer|Groo the Wanderer]]'s name.<br />
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====VUX====<br />
The description of the constellation that is described as "the snake-like creature who has swallowed the elephantine beast" in the DOS version ("the long, thin creature who has swallowed the huge beast." in the 3DO version and UQM) is a reference to the children's book [[wikipedia:Le Petit Prince|Le Petit Prince]] by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, which [http://www.korczak.com/Exupery/englisch/i.html describes and shows] an image of a boa constrictor digesting an elephant.<br />
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The VUX say that [[Captain Rand]]'s [[Insult]] fixed their attitude setting at "ABHOR", which may be a reference to [[Professor Zorg's Guide to Alien Etiquette]] from Star Control 1, where the player was to select the correct attitude for a given situation; one of the answers was "ABHOR", again in all caps.<br />
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====Yehat====<br />
"[[Cheep-Guava]]", the name of the head of the [[Yehat]] revolution, is a pun on "[[Wikipedia:Che Guevara|Che Guevara]]", the Cuban revolutionary leader.<br />
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====Zoq-Fot-Pik====<br />
When first meeting the [[Zoq-Fot-Pik]] at their homeworld, they warn you not to try stealing their atmosphere, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Spaceballs|Spaceballs]].<br />
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The coordinates "...ziggerfau-gerrrnuf, Ah-ah, Pahoy-hoy" of the Zoq-Fot-Pik homeworld given in their initial encounter refers to Hawaiian words for two types of [[Wikipedia:lava|lava]] flows, "Aa" and "Pahoehoe".<br />
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====Other====<br />
The Mosquito Mange is mentioned in the [[Androsynth]] computer records immediately prior to their disappearance. It is a reference to the term found in [[wikipedia:Roadside Picnic|Roadside Picnic]] refering to graviconcentrates - areas of heightened and directed gravity. <br />
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The ''Roadside Picnic'' might also be the inspiration for the 'Empties'. In the novel they are one of the common alien artifacts found in the Zones. In the game they are a [[Precursor]] artifact that Commander Hayes mentions in relation to the [[Ultron]].<br />
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==Ship Captains==<br />
Numerous ship captain names are actually references.<br />
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====Androsynth====<br />
*'''1040-EZ''' is a common [[wikipedia:Form 1040EZ|tax return form]] in the United States.<br />
*'''976-KILL''' is probably meant as an American phone number. It may also refer to the movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094597/ 976-EVIL]. The "976" prefix is reserved for pay services.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:AK-47|AK-47]]''' is the famous Avtomat Kalashnikova assault rifle<br />
*'''BHS-79''' ''(just a wild guess here- is this the initials of one of the high schools they attended, and their graduation date?)''<br />
*'''BIM-XT''' is an anagram for the [[wikipedia:IBM XT|IBM XT]] personal computer from the early 1980s<br />
*'''BOOJI-1''' is a possible reference to the character [[wikipedia:Booji Boy|Booji Boy]] from the band [[wikipedia:Devo|Devo]].<br />
*'''CRC-16''' is a 16 bits "[[wikipedia:Cyclic redundancy check|Cyclic redundancy check]] (an error-detecting checksum).<br />
*'''DORN-3''' may be a reference to artist John Alfred Dorn III, who did several illustrations for the novels of [[wikipedia:Stanisław Lem|Stanisław Lem]]. It could also be a reference [[wikipedia:Michael Dorn|Michael Dorn]] who played Lt. Worf on Star Trek: The Next Generation.<br />
*'''DOS-1.0''' is a reference to one or all of the various early disk operating systems ([[wikipedia:PC-DIS|PC-DOS]], [[wikipedia:MS-DOS|MS-DOS]], [[wikipedia:Apple DOS|Apple DOS]], etc).<br />
*'''HAL-2001''' is a reference to the [[wikipedia:HAL 9000|HAL 9000]] computer from [[wikipedia:Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke]]'s and [[wikipedia:Stanley Kubrick|Stanley Kubrick]]'s [[wikipedia:2001: A Space Odyssey|2001: A Space Odyssey]]<br />
*'''JOR-15''' might be a reference to [[wikipedia:Jor-El|Jor-El]], superman's biological father in the DC comics universe.<br />
*'''KORB-7B''' might refer to [[wikipedia:Lawrence Korb|Lawrence Korb]], a former US Secretary of Defense heavily involved in military security.<br />
*'''ME-262''' is a reference to the Messerschmitt [[wikipedia:Me-262|Me-262]], the first operational jet powered aircraft. <br />
*'''NECRO-99''' may be a reference to the robot NECRON-99 from the movie [[wikipedia:Wizards (movie)|Wizards]].<br />
*'''SR-71''' is a reference to the Lockheed [[wikipedia:SR-71|SR-71 Blackbird]], an advanced reconnaissance aircraft.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Merkur XR4Ti|XR4-TI]]''' was a car model manufactured by the short-lived [[wikipedia:Merkur|Merkur]] brand.<br />
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====Druuge====<br />
*'''Moola''' is a play on "moolah", an English slang word for money.<br />
*'''Duulard''' could be a play on "dullard," which is slang for a boring person.<br />
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====Human====<br />
*'''Adama''' is the captain of the [[wikipedia:Battlestar Galactica|Battlestar Galactica]] in the television series by the same name.<br />
*'''Belt''' is a reference to Henry Belt, captain of a solar sail vessel in Jack Vance's short story ''Sail 25''.<br />
*'''Buck''' refers to [[wikipedia:Buck Rogers|Buck Rogers]], a character who appeared in popular sci-fi comic strips and serials in the late 30's, as well as a later television series.<br />
*'''Decker''' is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Willard Decker|Willard Decker]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] NCC-1701 in the movie [[wikipedia:Star Trek: The Motion Picture|Star Trek: The Motion Picture]].<br />
*'''Ender''' is a reference to the main character of the Orson Scott Card novel [[wikipedia:Ender's Game|Ender's Game]].<br />
*'''Graeme''' is a reference to Donal Graeme, a protagonist in the [[wikipedia: Childe Cycle|Childe Cycle]] novels by [[wikipedia:Gordon R. Dickson|Gordon R. Dickson]]. ''(This may also be a reference to other characters in this series with this same lastname.)''<br />
*'''Halleck''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Gurney Halleck|Gurney Halleck]] of the [[wikipedia:Dune universe|Dune series]].<br />
*'''Kirk''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:James T. Kirk|James T. Kirk]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] NCC-1701 in the original series of [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*'''Pike''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Christopher Pike|Christopher Pike]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Starship Enterprise|Starship Enterprise]] NCC-1701 in the pilot episode of [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Pirx|Pirx]]''' is a reference to a fictional test pilot in a series of stories by Stanisław Lem.<br />
*'''Solo''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Han Solo|Han Solo]], captain of the [[wikipedia:Millennium Falcon|Millennium Falcon]] in [[wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] episode 4 through 6.<br />
*'''Spiff''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Spaceman Spiff|Spaceman Spiff]], a fantasy identity of Calvin from [[wikipedia:Calvin and Hobbes|Calvin and Hobbes]]<br />
*'''Trent''' is a reference to Jeff Trent, civilian airline pilot from [[wikipedia:Plan 9 from Outer Space|Plan 9 from Outer Space]]<br />
*'''Tuf''' is a reference to Haviland Tuf, the protagonist in [[wikipedia:Tuf Voyaging|Tuf Voyaging]] by [[wikipedia:George R.R. Martin|George R.R. Martin]].<br />
*'''VanRijn''' is a reference to the merchant prince Nicholas Van Rijn in [[wikipedia:Poul Anderson|Poul Anderson]]'s stories.<br />
*'''Wu''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Louis Wu|Louis Wu]], the protagonist of Larry Niven's [[wikipedia:Ringworld|Ringworld series]].<br />
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====Ilwrath====<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Gorgon|Gorgon]]''' is a famous Greek mythological creature, of which [[wikipedia:Medusa|Medusa]] was one.<br />
*'''Kalgon''' might refer to [[wikipedia:Calgon|Calgon]], a cleansing product.<br />
*'''Taragon''' likely refers to the spice [[wikipedia:tarragon|tarragon]]<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Baylor University|Baylor]]''' is a university in Waco, Texas.<br />
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====Kohr-Ah====<br />
*All of their ship names appear to be '''Death''' followed by a [[wikipedia:Prime_number|prime number]].<br />
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====Mycon====<br />
*'''Znuff''' could be a reference to the 1984 rock group [[wikipedia:Enuff Z'nuff|Enuff Z'nuff]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Spork|Spork]]''' is an eating utensil, a hybrid of a spoon and a fork.<br />
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====Pkunk====<br />
*'''Crow''' may refer to [[wikipedia:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] from [[wikipedia:Mystery Science Theater 3000|Mystery Science Theater 3000]] as well as the obvious type of bird.<br />
*'''Ernie''' is likely a reference to the British cartoon [[wikipedia:Ernie (comic strip)|Ernie]].<br />
*'''Tweety''' is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Tweety|Tweety Bird]].<br />
*'''WudStok''' is Snoopy's friend [[wikipedia:Woodstock (Peanuts)|Woodstock]] in the comic strip [[wikipedia:Peanuts|Peanuts]].<br />
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====Shofixti====<br />
*'''Bonsai!''' is actually [[wikipedia:Bonsai|the Japanese art of pruning trees]], but is most likely a reference to the cry [[wikipedia:Ten thousand years|Banzai]].<br />
*'''Busu''' is a Japanese word for ugly<br />
*'''Chimchim''' most likely refers to the pet chimpanzee in [[wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Daikon|Daikon]]''' is a giant, white radish popular in Japanese cooking.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Gaijin|Gaijin]]''' is a disparaging Japanese term for foreigner.<br />
*'''Genjiro''' is likely a reference to [[wikipedia:Genjiro Arato|Genjiro Arato]], a Japanese movie producer, actor, and director.<br />
*'''Ginzu''' is probably the [[wikipedia:Ginsu|Ginsu knife]].<br />
*'''Hiyata''' is a reference to the title character of the Japanese show [[wikipedia:Ultraman|Ultraman]], where it can also be spelled "Hayata". <br />
*'''Ichiban''' is the Japanese word for the number 1, or first<br />
*'''Kimba''' refers to the main character in the Japanese animation [[wikipedia:Kimba the White Lion|Kimba, the White Lion]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Katana|Katana]]''' is a Japanese sword.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Kudzu|Kudzu]]''' is an Asian plant that can be found in southern Japan.<br />
*'''Naninani''' is Japanese for "such and such"<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Sushi|Sushi]]''' is Japanese for seasoned rice, usually associated with raw fish.<br />
*'''Tanaka''' is a fairly common [[wikipedia:Japanese name|Japanese surname]].<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Tofu|Tofu]]''' is bean curd, popular in Japanese cooking.<br />
*'''Tora-3''' refers to the radio call announcing the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. [[wikipedia:Tora Tora Tora|Tora! Tora! Tora!]]<br />
*'''Wasabe''' is a Japanese condiment, usually spelled [[wikipedia:Wasabi|wasabi]].<br />
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====Spathi====<br />
*'''Jinkeze''' is a reference to the catchphrase of [[Wikipedia:Velma Dinkley|Velma Dinkley]], a main character in the [[Wikipedia:Scooby-Doo|Scooby-Doo]] cartoons, which she says when she is scared or surprised.<br />
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====Supox====<br />
*'''Crinoid''' is a reference to the Krynoids, hostile sentient plants in the [[wikipedia:Doctor Who|Doctor Who]] episode ''The Seeds of Doom''.<br />
*'''Trifid''' is a reference to the carnivorous, mobile (and possibly intelligent) plants in [[wikipedia:The Day of the Triffids|The Day of the Triffids]].<br />
*All of the other captain names are parts or types of plants.<br />
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====Syreen====<br />
*'''Aelita''' refers to the early Soviet sci-fi novel ''Aelita'' by [[wikipedia:Alexei Tolstoy|Alexei Tolstoy]] or to a silent film [[wikipedia:Aelita|Aelita:Queen of Mars]] based on it.<br />
*'''Alia''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Alia Atreides|St. Alia of the Knife]], the sister of [[wikipedia:Paul Atreides|Paul Atreides]] in the [[wikipedia:Dune universe|Dune series]].<br />
*'''Alura''' is possibly a reference either to Princess Allura in the [[wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]] cartoon series or to the mother of [[wikipedia:Supergirl|Supergirl]].<br />
*'''Ardala''' is a reference to the Princess Ardala, nemesis of Buck Rogers. <br />
*'''Be'lit''' is a possible reference to [[wikipedia:Belit|Belit]], a pirate queen in the [[wikipedia:Conan the Barbarian|Conan the Barbarian]] stories.<br />
*'''Brawne''' refers to Brawne Lamia, a character in Dan Simmons' [[wikipedia:Hyperion Cantos|Hyperion Cantos]] books.<br />
*'''Dale''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Dale Arden|Dale Arden]], the girlfriend of [[wikipedia:Flash Gordon|Flash Gordon]].<br />
*'''Danning''' is a reference to the actress [[wikipedia:Sybil Danning|Sybil Danning]].<br />
*'''Dejah''' may be a reference to Dejah Thoris Burroughs (Deety) in Robert A. Heinlein's [[wikipedia:The Number of the Beast (novel)|The Number of the Beast]], or to Dejah Thoris, Princess of Helium, in the [[wikipedia:Barsoom series|Barsoom series]] by [[wikipedia:Edgar Rice Burroughs|Edgar Rice Burroughs]].<br />
*'''Maya''' refers to the attractive female [[wikipedia:Space 1999|Space: 1999]] character gifted with shapeshifing abilties.<br />
*'''Munro''' possibly refers to another genre actress, [[wikipedia:Caroline Munro|Caroline Munro]].<br />
*'''Penny''' possibly refers to the lead female character in the movie [[wikipedia:The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension|The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension]], or the character of Penny Robinson in the television show Lost in Space. <br />
*'''Ripley''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Ellen Ripley|Lieutenant Ripley]], as portrayed by [[wikipedia:Sigourney Weaver|Sigourney Weaver]] in the movie [[wikipedia:Alien (movie)|Alien]].<br />
*'''Sparta''' is a reference to the beautiful female protagonist with a mysterious past in the Venus Prime series by [[wikipedia:Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke]] and [[wikipedia:Paul Preuss|Paul Preuss]].<br />
*'''Teela''' is a reference to [[wikipedia:Teela Brown|Teela Brown]], one of the heroines of the Larry Niven's [[wikipedia:Ringworld|Ringworld]] novels.<br />
*'''Yarr''' may be a reference to [[wikipedia:Natasha Yar|Natasha Yar]] who appeared in [[wikipedia:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]].<br />
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====Umgah====<br />
*'''Bob''' is possibly a reference to the creators themselves: [[Toys For Bob]].<br />
*'''Brewz'k''' is likely the slang word "brewski".<br />
*'''Ei'Ei'o''' is probably referring to the refrain of the children's song ''[[wikipedia:Old MacDonald Had a Farm|Old MacDonald Had a Farm]]''. The name was used before in [[Professor Zorg's Guide to Alien Etiquette]] in [[Star Control 1]].<br />
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====Ur-Quan====<br />
*While all captain's names are '''Lord''' followed by a number, '''Lord 666''' is notable as a reference to the [[wikipedia:Number of the Beast|Number of the Beast]]. There is no known pattern to their numbers, unlike the Kohr-Ah.<br />
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====Utwig====<br />
*'''Endo''' might refer to a slang word for [[Wikipedia:marijuana|marijuana]]. In Japanese, this is also type of pea.<br />
*'''Manny''' might refer to the main character in [[wikipedia:Robert A. Heinlein|Robert A. Heinlein]]'s book [[wikipedia:the Moon Is a Harsh Mistress|The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress]].<br />
*'''Nestor''' might refer to the [[Wikipedia:NS-2|NS-2]], a robot model in Asimov's "[[Wikipedia:Little Lost Robot|Little Lost Robot]]" that can, by inaction, allow a human to be harmed.<br />
*'''Jujuby''' might be an alternate spelling of '[[Wikipedia:Jujube|Jujube]]', which is the fruit of a certain tree, also known as the "Chinese Date".<br />
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====VUX====<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:Program Information File|PIF]]''' is a file extension used in early versions of [[wikipedia:Microsoft Windows|Microsoft Windows]].<br />
*'''VIP''' is an acronym meaning "very important person".<br />
*'''YUK''' likely comes from the work "yuck" -- an appropriate name, given the VUX's appearance.<br />
*'''[[wikipedia:zit|ZIT]]''' likely comes from the skin blemish of the same name.<br />
*'''NRF''' may refer to the toy gun brand [[wikipedia:Nerf|Nerf]].<br />
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====Yehat====<br />
*'''Beep-eep''' could refer to the token sound made by the [[wikipedia:RWile E. Coyote and Road Runner|Road Runner]] in various [[wikipedia:Looney Tunes|Looney Tunes]] animations and products.<br />
*All the rest of their captains' names simply change the first letter.<br />
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====Zoq Fot Pik====<br />
*'''RinTin''' is likely named after the famous movie dog [[wikipedia:Rin Tin Tin|Rin Tin Tin]].<br />
*'''TikTak''' is likely a reference to the [[wikipedia:Tic Tac (candy)|Tic Tac]] breath mints or to the children's game [[wikipedia:Tic-tac-toe|Tic-tac-toe]].<br />
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==Ship Designs==<br />
*The '''[[Arilou]]'s [[Skiff]]''' vessel is reminiscent of the 'traditional' flying saucers or UFO's.<br />
*The '''[[Earthling]] [[Cruiser]]''' seems to be inspired by the Federation Starships from [[wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*The '''[[Ilwrath]] [[Avenger]]''' shares the same approximate configuration as both the [[wikipedia:Klingon starships|Klingon Bird-of-Prey]] and the [[wikipedia:Romulan starships|Romulan Warbird]] from Star Trek.<br />
*The '''[[Mmrnmhrm]] [[X-Form]]''' takes inspiration for both of its transformation forms from two popular [[wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] Rebellion fighters -- the [[wikipedia:X-Wing|X-Wing]] and the [[wikipedia:Y-Wing|Y-Wing]], respectively.<br />
*The '''[[Syreen]] [[Penetrator]]''' is shaped after the [[wikipedia:V-2 rocket|V-2 rocket]], and a dildo.<br />
*The '''[[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] [[Dreadnought]]''' bears more than a passing resemblence to the [[wikipedia:Battlestar Galactica (ship)|BattleStar command ships]] from BattleStar Galactica.<br />
*The '''[[VUX]] [[Intruder]]''' shares a similar relationship with the D7 class Klingon starship.<br />
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==Star and constellation names==<br />
According to the [[HyperSpace]] starmap, the names for the HyperSpace stars and constellations were taken from "traditional astronomical designations." These are the in-game star and constellation names that don't directly correspond to real life astronomical designations. Others such as Lalande and Wolf, while not the name of actual constellations, appear to be derived from astronomical designations.<br />
*'''Almagest''' is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Almagest|Almagest]], an astronomical treatise written by [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy|Claudius Ptolemaius]] and describing his geocentric theory.<br />
*'''Arianni''' may be a reference to the "inner earth people" with the same name mentioned in a purported [http://www.reversespins.com/byrd.html missing diary] of [[wikipedia:Admiral Byrd|Admiral Byrd]]. Alternative origins may be the [[Wikipedia:Ariane (rocket)|Ariane rockets]], which were the primary launch vehicle of the European Space Agency in the latter portion of the 20th century, the planet [http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/places/article/69410.html Ariannus] from the original [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]], the [[wikipedia:Arianism|Arianist]] religious doctrine, the [[wikipedia:Aryan|Arian/Aryan]] (Proto-Indo-European) people or the ancient Greek historian [[wikipedia:Arrian|Arrian]].<br />
*'''Brahe''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tycho Brahe|Tycho Brahe]], the famous Danish astronomer of the 16th century.<br />
*'''Cerenkov''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov|Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov]], a Soviet physicist and Nobel laureate.<br />
*'''Chandrasekhar''' is a reference to the Indian-American astrophysicist [[Wikipedia:Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar|Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar]], famous for his work on stellar evolution and black holes.<br />
*'''Copernicus''' is a reference [[Wikipedia:Nicolaus Copernicus|Nicolaus Copernicus]], the polish astronomer who proposed the sun was the center of the solar system.<br />
*'''Gorno''' is a possible reference to the [[Wikipedia:Gorn|Gorn]], a race in [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]].<br />
*'''Hyginus''' is a reference to the attributed author of [[Wikipedia:Poeticon astronomicon|Poeticon astronomicon]].<br />
*'''Hyperion''' is a reference to the main setting of Dan Simmons' [[wikipedia:Hyperion Cantos|Hyperion Cantos]].<br />
*'''Illuminati''' is a reference to a variety of conspiracy theories, especially those of the [[Wikipedia:Illuminati|Bavarian Illuminati]].<br />
*'''Kepler''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Johannes Kepler|Johannes Kepler]] who discovered the three laws of planetary motion.<br />
*'''Klystron''' is a reference to a kind of vacuum tube used in early radar systems.<br />
*'''Lentilis''' is probably a reference to the Lentili from David Brin's short story [[Wikipedia:Sshhh ...|Sshhh ...]].<br />
*'''Lipi''' is possibly a misspelling of "[[wikipedia:Lupus (constellation)|Lupus]]", an existing constellation.<br />
*'''Maksutov''' is likely a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Maksutov telescope|Maksutov telescope]] invented by the Russian optician [[Wikipedia:Dimtri Maksutov|Dimtri Maksutov]].<br />
*'''Mersenne''' is a reference to [http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Mersenne.html Marin Mersenne] a Minim friar who lived in France from 1588-1648 and was a major founder of number theory.<br />
*'''Metis''' is a [[wikipedia:Metis (moon)|moon of Jupiter]], and correspondingly a [[wikipedia:Metis (mythology)|character]] in Greek mythology.<br />
*'''Olber''' is likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers|Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers]], a German astronomer.<br />
*'''Organon''' is likely a reference to either Francis Bacon's book [[Wikipedia:Novum Organum|The New Organon]] or Aristotle's [[Wikipedia:Organon|Organon]], after which Bacon's book was named. Alternatively it could be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Organia|Organia]], an important location in [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]], or to the [[Wikipedia:Organa family|Organa family]] in the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]] universe.<br />
*'''Ptolemae''' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy|Claudius Ptolemaius]], an ancient astronomer whose Geocentric views Copernicus replaced. <br />
*'''Raynet''' is possibly a misspelling of "[[wikipedia:Wolf-Rayet|Rayet]]", an existing astronomical designation. It could also be a reference to British amateur radio network [[Wikipedia:RAYNET|RAYNET]].<br />
*'''Saurus''' is possibly a reference to [[wikipedia:Eden Phillpotts|Eden Phillpotts]] novel ''Saurus''. It is also similar to the Greek word for "reptile". <br />
*'''Squidi''' <br />
*'''Vitalis''' <br />
*'''Zeeman''' is possibly a reference to the physicist [[Wikipedia:Pieter Zeeman|Pieter Zeeman]] for whom a [[Wikipedia:Zeeman (crater)|crater]] on the moon is named.<br />
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==Other==<br />
*'''[[Leyland Gravity Whip]]s''' are named after Robert Leyland, a Toys For Bob programmer.<br />
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*The name and appearance of the '''[[Table of bio types|bio types]]''' found on planets originate in some way from real (living or not) things. The less obvious ones are listed below:<br />
**'''Roto-Dendron''' is likely a [[wikipedia:Portmanteau|portmanteau]] of "[[wikipedia:Roto|roto]]" and "[[wikipedia:Rhododendron|rhododendron]]" (the name of a real plant).<br />
**'''Macrocilla''' is probably a misspelling of "macrocilia", an existing [[wikipedia:Organelle|organelle]] found in the mouths of some [[wikipedia:Ctenophore|ctenophores]].<br />
**In "'''Splort Wort''', "splort" is an onomatopoeia for the shooting of a liquid, and "wort" is old English for "herb".<br />
**The '''Bug-Eyed Bait''' resembles a worm, and indeed, worms are used as bait in fishing. Also, the large eyes of the creature justify the epithet "bug-eyed".<br />
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==Notes and references==<br />
{{note|1}}{{IRC1998}}<br />
::<Manta> Fwiffo: Has anyone ever brought up parallels between Babylon 5 and Star Control?<br><br />
::<Fwiffo> Babylon 5 causes a certain amount of stomping around the office screaming.<br><br />
::<Fwiffo> Babylon 5 steals from us. We steal from known space.<br><br />
::<Fwiffo> And Larry in known space steals from others.<br />
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[[Category:Trivia]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=User_talk:Valaggar/Zoom_level&diff=18058User talk:Valaggar/Zoom level2007-06-24T03:46:33Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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ship orientation does not depend on the spot where you leave the secondary zoom, but on the ship's orientation in the secondary zoom<br />
:I just tested this and this is absolutely right. Your ship's orientation never changes between zoom levels. You can fly off to the bottom of the screen and turn, and when the camera zooms out your ship's orientation has not changed. Even when you exit to hyperspace your orientation is maintained. --[[User:24.117.122.78|24.117.122.78]] 05:46, 24 June 2007 (CEST)</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=VUX&diff=18003VUX2007-06-22T16:54:36Z<p>24.117.122.78: Necks cause the motion you are citing.</p>
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==General==<br />
The '''VUX''' hail from the [[Luyten]] constellation, though their sphere of influence also extends to the nearby [[List of constellations|constellations]]. To an [[Earthling]], a VUX resembles a bipedal, one-eyed cross between a hideous green octopus and a banana slug, with a snout like an anteater and a rigid, or perhaps no, neck.{{ref|1}} They are most often seen wearing well-decorated suits and sitting at a rather ornate command console. In mindset, the VUX are a bigoted lot, judging entire races off their appearance alone.<br />
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==History==<br />
Much of VUX history is not known due to the VUX's staunch unwillingness to communicate with other races. However, the events in the recent two wars are common knowledge to many species. Prior to the [[Great War]], the only other race with any knowledge of the VUX were the [[Yehat]]. At the beginning of hostilities between the Alliance and the Hierarchy, the VUX and their enormous starship fleet seemingly kept to themselves. The first official contact between the [[Alliance of Free Stars]] and the VUX occurred when a [[Human]] captain, [[Jeffry L. Rand]], encountered an [[Intruder]] squadron in VUX space. Many historians regard the encounter as the single biggest mistake the Humans committed during the war. Captain Rand opened communications with a VUX commander, and when the commander appeared on the viewscreen, Rand made a disparaging remark to one of his officers about the VUX commander's appearance, unaware that the advanced VUX translator devices were already operating and relayed these words to the VUX captain. The VUX were incredibly offended, and cut off communications there and then. It is possible that Rand's comment is also the reason why "VUX" is sometimes treated as an acronym for "Very Ugly Xenoform."<br />
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With the Alliance's diplomats scrambling to atone for "[[the Insult]]" and to convince the VUX to join the efforts against the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] forces, the Ur-Quan themselves seized upon this confusion and delay and promptly subjugated the VUX. The VUX chose to become [[battle thrall]]s (possibly to gain revenge against the Humans), and their Intruder fleets under the command of [[Admiral ZEX]] played an important part in the Hierarchy's eventual victory over the Alliance. Shortly afterwards, the [[Ur-Quan]] were pulled into the renewed [[Doctrinal Conflict]] against the [[Kohr-ah]], and the VUX were left to their own designs. They seemingly did little other than patiently wait for the return of their masters.<br />
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During the [[Second War]], the VUX are steadfastly uncooperative, despite [[The Captain]]'s attempts to remain polite and reasonable with them. The VUX are known to cite Rand's insult and their subordination to the Ur-Quan for their reasons why they refuse to listen to The Captain's requests for diplomacy; however, it is not as well known that eventually, after The Captain persistently attempts to reason with the VUX, one of their commanders eventually snaps out of sheer fustration and admits that the VUX's ''real'' reason for hating humanity is that they find the appearance of a Human to be so horrible that they are simply unable to tolerate it and feel the need to regurgitate uncontrollably whenever they set their eye on one.<br />
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Despite the VUX as a whole refusing to listen to reason, they do on occasion direct The Captain to speak with [[Admiral ZEX]], who had been exiled from VUX society after the Great War was over, for the reason that ZEX, in his own words, "enjoys" humans. Unlike the other VUX, ZEX is very cooperative with The Captain, if in a somewhat overbearing and uncomfortable manner. ZEX has been keeping a menagerie of various beasts from around the galaxy that he considers to be beautiful - yet one beast has eluded him and his men, much to his fustration. The Captain strikes a deal with ZEX; if he could recover the [[VUX Beast]], then ZEX would give his cryogenically frozen [[Shofixti Maidens]] to The Captain in exchange. The deal is done; however, ZEX attempts to betray The Captain, as it was really The Captain himself that ZEX wants to put in his menagerie of beasts. The VUX Beast manages to break free from its holding cell however and goes on a rampage that eventually results in ZEX's death. After The Captain recovers the [[Shofixti]] females from an installation on the planet surface, his dealings with the VUX are over.<br />
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After the end of the Second War, it is not known whether the VUX will join with the [[New Alliance]], or remain neutral as they did during the early parts of the Great War.<br />
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==Culture and Society==<br />
In VUX culture, concepts of appearance and fashion are of tantamount importance, and their mindset seems to be stuck in a "Victorian England" kind of thinking. To their eyes a lifeform as bizarre looking as a humanoid is a new dimension in horrifying ugliness, a monster. So it's no surprise that they view the other humanoid races, [[Syreen]], [[Androsynth]] and [[Arilou]] with equal disgust. Despite all of their clearly bigoted views towards other races, the VUX claim that they are an open-minded, rational species, though this could all be explained simply as their narcissistic, high image they have of themselves. Any deviants from this norm are punished; [[Admiral ZEX]], in spite of his importance, was exiled to [[Alpha Cerenkov]] due to a secret, presumably taboo fetish for humanoids. It is not known what happens to lesser VUX who betray the standards of VUX society, but one can presume it is not pleasant.<br />
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==Relations with other races==<br />
===Humans===<br />
The VUX hate the humans with a passion, due to both the VUX's inability to withstand the humans's staggering ugliness, and the insult by Captain [[Jeffry L. Rand]] made. The Captain actually found out that it is the former reason which takes precedence, and the latter was merely a cover story to take away some of the embarrassment from the former, which even the VUX themselves realise is unreasonable and immature.<br />
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===Orz===<br />
The VUX encountered the [[Orz]] early after they had entered this dimension, coinciding with the disappearance of the [[Androsynth]]. The VUX managed to anger the Orz by asking too much about what had happened to the Androsynth, prompting the Orz to attack. In The Captain's conversations with the Orz, they refer to the VUX as *silly cows*, which is known as a term for someone they will attempt to kill on sight.<br />
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===Syreen===<br />
Perhaps due to visible similarities to Humans, the VUX have also known to be hostile towards the [[Syreen]]. The Syreen fleet, composed mainly of habitat starships, was attacked several times by VUX raiders as they traversed space looking for a new home. In an attempt to save themselves, the Syreen maneuvered their fleet into Human space and had little choice but to join the [[Alliance]].<br />
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===Yehat===<br />
The [[Yehat]] were the first Alliance member with any knowledge of the VUX. However, they apparently never offerred up this information, possibly since they consider the VUX to be not only ugly monsters, but also self-indulgent and prejudiced. Given their low opinion of the VUX, it is likely that the Yehat never engaged in any kind of meaningful interaction with the VUX prior to the Great War.<br />
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==Known individuals==<br />
*[[DAX]]<br />
*[[YAX]]<br />
*[[ZEX]]<br />
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==Notes and references==<br />
{{note|1}}''The VUX state "Now if you don't mind, stop nodding your head like that. We VUX do not share this range of motion and it appears as though your neck is broken and you are a jabbering corpse. Ugh.".''<br />
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[[Category:VUX]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Accolade&diff=13747Accolade2006-09-18T15:47:43Z<p>24.117.122.78: </p>
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<div>'''Accolade''' was the company that published the PC version of [[Star Control II]] in 1992.<br />
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In 1999 Accolade was purchased by [[Infogrames]].<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[wikipedia:Accolade|Wikipedia entry on Accolade]]<br />
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[[Category:About the Star Control series]]</div>24.117.122.78https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Chmmr&diff=13746Chmmr2006-09-18T15:24:16Z<p>24.117.122.78: Some readability changes</p>
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<div>{{RaceBox|name=Chmmr|image=ChmmrComm.png|caption=The hybrid Chmmr race|homeworld=[[Procyon II]]|coordinates=074.2 : 226.8|organizations=[[New Alliance of Free Stars]]|ship=[[Avatar]]}}<br />
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The '''Chmmr''' are a composite race created from the two separate races of the [[Chenjesu]] and the [[Mmrnmhrm]]. The synthesis of the two races took place under the [[slave shield]] on the Chenjesu's homeworld of [[Procyon II]]. This process was fueled via solar power. [[The Captain]] first came into contact with the Chmrr using a [[HyperWave Broadcaster]] in orbit around their [[slave shield]]ed planet.<br />
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The Chmmr's synthesis project was intended to create a race and fabricate a technology powerful enough to defeat the [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za|Ur-Quan]] single-handedly. The so-called "Process" would have taken approximately 35 Earth years, as it was powered solely by the [[Procyon]] sun. However, due to the severity of the situation, the Captain made a hasty call and used a [[Precursor]] [[Sun Device]] recovered from the [[Mycon]] to accelerate the Process -- what was supposed to take decades had been accomplished in seconds. Whatever the [[Chenjesu]] and [[Mmrnmhrm]] expected, the Chmmr were not it. The Chmmr expressed this when they claimed, "The process is incomplete yet we emerge." However, given how long the Process would have taken, it is likely the [[Kohr-Ah]] would have exterminated them long before it could have been properly completed.<br />
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The Chmmr commanded the powerful [[Avatar]] battleships in combat during the [[Second War]] and were a major driving force behind the Second Alliance's victory.<br />
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