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	And by the way, Fyzixfighter, what are your objections to my theory, besides what you have already mentioned (that it's not the only possible interpretation)? Unlike the vanilla interpretation, mine makes sense of space, time ("We are too happy, in this slow time heavy space. It is a better level for games." together with "Space is not one but many. Time is many." seem to disagree with a multilayer-is-the-bestest-paradigm interpretation), quick time and slow time, and outside/inside/in between (I do not think outside means "not TrueSpace", because we'd then expect that inside means TrueSpace/HyperSpace, which it doesn't seem to, per "So much the better! Orz have been waiting for alliance time. I will show you the inside. It is so good you will never leave!").<br>And there's the whole thing going on at User:Valaggar/IDF.. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 15:46, 22 January 2008 (CET)		And by the way, Fyzixfighter, what are your objections to my theory, besides what you have already mentioned (that it's not the only possible interpretation)? Unlike the vanilla interpretation, mine makes sense of space, time ("We are too happy, in this slow time heavy space. It is a better level for games." together with "Space is not one but many. Time is many." seem to disagree with a multilayer-is-the-bestest-paradigm interpretation), quick time and slow time, and outside/inside/in between (I do not think outside means "not TrueSpace", because we'd then expect that inside means TrueSpace/HyperSpace, which it doesn't seem to, per "So much the better! Orz have been waiting for alliance time. I will show you the inside. It is so good you will never leave!").<br>And there's the whole thing going on at User:Valaggar/IDF.. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 15:46, 22 January 2008 (CET)

	~~== jKviBWexxiapYFus ==~~

	~~THX that's a great anwesr!~~

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	And by the way, Fyzixfighter, what are your objections to my theory, besides what you have already mentioned (that it's not the only possible interpretation)? Unlike the vanilla interpretation, mine makes sense of space, time ("We are too happy, in this slow time heavy space. It is a better level for games." together with "Space is not one but many. Time is many." seem to disagree with a multilayer-is-the-bestest-paradigm interpretation), quick time and slow time, and outside/inside/in between (I do not think outside means "not TrueSpace", because we'd then expect that inside means TrueSpace/HyperSpace, which it doesn't seem to, per "So much the better! Orz have been waiting for alliance time. I will show you the inside. It is so good you will never leave!").<br>And there's the whole thing going on at User:Valaggar/IDF.. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 15:46, 22 January 2008 (CET)		And by the way, Fyzixfighter, what are your objections to my theory, besides what you have already mentioned (that it's not the only possible interpretation)? Unlike the vanilla interpretation, mine makes sense of space, time ("We are too happy, in this slow time heavy space. It is a better level for games." together with "Space is not one but many. Time is many." seem to disagree with a multilayer-is-the-bestest-paradigm interpretation), quick time and slow time, and outside/inside/in between (I do not think outside means "not TrueSpace", because we'd then expect that inside means TrueSpace/HyperSpace, which it doesn't seem to, per "So much the better! Orz have been waiting for alliance time. I will show you the inside. It is so good you will never leave!").<br>And there's the whole thing going on at User:Valaggar/IDF.. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 15:46, 22 January 2008 (CET)

			== jKviBWexxiapYFus ==

			THX that's a great anwesr!

Valaggar: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */ reply

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	::Hence my position is reduced to what it was in the beginning, just keep below. But there is probably more to the IDF mystery than just the multilayer, dimensional paradigm, considering the apparent role of consciousness. True, the multilayer, dimensional paradigm will occur to almost all, but then again, almost all will also be almost certain upon reading the orz and arilou dialogues that there is more to it than that. This should be clear in the relevant articles. --[[User:Zeracles\|Zeracles]] 20:53, 21 January 2008 (CET)		::Hence my position is reduced to what it was in the beginning, just keep below. But there is probably more to the IDF mystery than just the multilayer, dimensional paradigm, considering the apparent role of consciousness. True, the multilayer, dimensional paradigm will occur to almost all, but then again, almost all will also be almost certain upon reading the orz and arilou dialogues that there is more to it than that. This should be clear in the relevant articles. --[[User:Zeracles\|Zeracles]] 20:53, 21 January 2008 (CET)

			And by the way, Fyzixfighter, what are your objections to my theory, besides what you have already mentioned (that it's not the only possible interpretation)? Unlike the vanilla interpretation, mine makes sense of space, time ("We are too happy, in this slow time heavy space. It is a better level for games." together with "Space is not one but many. Time is many." seem to disagree with a multilayer-is-the-bestest-paradigm interpretation), quick time and slow time, and outside/inside/in between (I do not think outside means "not TrueSpace", because we'd then expect that inside means TrueSpace/HyperSpace, which it doesn't seem to, per "So much the better! Orz have been waiting for alliance time. I will show you the inside. It is so good you will never leave!").<br>And there's the whole thing going on at User:Valaggar/IDF.. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 15:46, 22 January 2008 (CET)

Zeracles: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */ reply

2008-01-21T19:53:59Z

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	::Never mind. Let's end all this "Let's change this and this just for the sake of changing it and to show that I'm the most intelligent person ever!!1!1!" nonsense.		::Never mind. Let's end all this "Let's change this and this just for the sake of changing it and to show that I'm the most intelligent person ever!!1!1!" nonsense.
	::Keep it as below and that's it. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 16:32, 21 January 2008 (CET)		::Keep it as below and that's it. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 16:32, 21 January 2008 (CET)

			::If there were only sensible editors, we could keep a theories section under control, so if we put self-consistent theories somewhere none of us 3 would put ``some really outlandish, self-consistent theory that agrees with the canon but with extreme inventions of fanatic license" there but someone else might. So fair enough.

			::Hence my position is reduced to what it was in the beginning, just keep below. But there is probably more to the IDF mystery than just the multilayer, dimensional paradigm, considering the apparent role of consciousness. True, the multilayer, dimensional paradigm will occur to almost all, but then again, almost all will also be almost certain upon reading the orz and arilou dialogues that there is more to it than that. This should be clear in the relevant articles. --[[User:Zeracles\|Zeracles]] 20:53, 21 January 2008 (CET)

Valaggar: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */ reply

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	:I still think that "below" is an adequate and appropriate and canonical name. But I've already stated my reasons, and you've stated yours, the end result being that we disagree. I'd like to wait and see what others think - perhaps I'll find that I'm in the minority, or someone will have a new reason that will sway me, or someone higher up on the food chain will overrule me. As for your question of where stuff is found in canon, going from HS to TS is described as "spiralling down", "warp[ing] down", and "drop[ping] down" on pages 23, 24, 35 of the PC manual (pg 6 and 24 in the 3DO manual). It is mainly from this (the up and down metaphor), from the description of HS and TS being parallel, and from the fact that the dimensions differ only by one attribute that we get the multilayer, dimensional paradigm - not explicitly stated, true, but the simplest and first paradigm arrived at based on by most when looking at the canon, and with less invention of new things than your IDF model. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 21 January 2008 (CET)		:I still think that "below" is an adequate and appropriate and canonical name. But I've already stated my reasons, and you've stated yours, the end result being that we disagree. I'd like to wait and see what others think - perhaps I'll find that I'm in the minority, or someone will have a new reason that will sway me, or someone higher up on the food chain will overrule me. As for your question of where stuff is found in canon, going from HS to TS is described as "spiralling down", "warp[ing] down", and "drop[ping] down" on pages 23, 24, 35 of the PC manual (pg 6 and 24 in the 3DO manual). It is mainly from this (the up and down metaphor), from the description of HS and TS being parallel, and from the fact that the dimensions differ only by one attribute that we get the multilayer, dimensional paradigm - not explicitly stated, true, but the simplest and first paradigm arrived at based on by most when looking at the canon, and with less invention of new things than your IDF model. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 21 January 2008 (CET)

			::Never mind. Let's end all this "Let's change this and this just for the sake of changing it and to show that I'm the most intelligent person ever!!1!1!" nonsense.
			::Keep it as below and that's it. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 16:32, 21 January 2008 (CET)

Fyzixfighter: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */

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	Mmm, maybe we could just move "below" to "Orz home dimension", after all. If we rule that dimensions/dimension-related best-fits are important only if they are associated with a certain race, we are left only with outside, below, above and Pretty Space. The first two will be covered in Orz home dimension, and above can be treated in the Arilou or in the QuasiSpace article (as we already have a page about the Arilou's home dimension). Pretty Space would then be left as it is. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 08:52, 20 January 2008 (CET)		Mmm, maybe we could just move "below" to "Orz home dimension", after all. If we rule that dimensions/dimension-related best-fits are important only if they are associated with a certain race, we are left only with outside, below, above and Pretty Space. The first two will be covered in Orz home dimension, and above can be treated in the Arilou or in the QuasiSpace article (as we already have a page about the Arilou's home dimension). Pretty Space would then be left as it is. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 08:52, 20 January 2008 (CET)

			:I still think that "below" is an adequate and appropriate and canonical name. But I've already stated my reasons, and you've stated yours, the end result being that we disagree. I'd like to wait and see what others think - perhaps I'll find that I'm in the minority, or someone will have a new reason that will sway me, or someone higher up on the food chain will overrule me. As for your question of where stuff is found in canon, going from HS to TS is described as "spiralling down", "warp[ing] down", and "drop[ping] down" on pages 23, 24, 35 of the PC manual (pg 6 and 24 in the 3DO manual). It is mainly from this (the up and down metaphor), from the description of HS and TS being parallel, and from the fact that the dimensions differ only by one attribute that we get the multilayer, dimensional paradigm - not explicitly stated, true, but the simplest and first paradigm arrived at based on by most when looking at the canon, and with less invention of new things than your IDF model. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 21 January 2008 (CET)

Valaggar: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */ reply

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	And no, I don't want to twist the Ultronomicon and the good work of the people within for my own selfish purposes. I just want to stress that it's way too speculative to just assume that below=Orz home dimension. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 11:08, 19 January 2008 (CET)		And no, I don't want to twist the Ultronomicon and the good work of the people within for my own selfish purposes. I just want to stress that it's way too speculative to just assume that below=Orz home dimension. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 11:08, 19 January 2008 (CET)

			Mmm, maybe we could just move "below" to "Orz home dimension", after all. If we rule that dimensions/dimension-related best-fits are important only if they are associated with a certain race, we are left only with outside, below, above and Pretty Space. The first two will be covered in Orz home dimension, and above can be treated in the Arilou or in the QuasiSpace article (as we already have a page about the Arilou's home dimension). Pretty Space would then be left as it is. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 08:52, 20 January 2008 (CET)

Valaggar: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */ reply

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	::::You have now introduced a third argument (or maybe a corollary to the second) that the information could just as well be placed on the Orz page. Pages have been created on less ([[Firefalls of Nalnar]], [[Servants of Mali]], [[Trooba Fern]], [[Puun-Taffy]]). True we have gotten rid of some, such as '''Ta Puun stick''', but it comes down to the question, at which point do we say that a topic deserves its own article? Yes, below could be discussed in the Orz article, just as QuasiSpace could just be discussed in the Arilou page. Or Earth just on the Human page, or Syra and Gaia just on the Syreen page. I think that the article below, treating both the speculative nature of the best-fit and the information about the Orz home dimension, puts it above (pun totally intended) the benchmark established by that question. I'm not so certain when it comes to Pretty Space, hence my sitting on the fence still on that one (despite how unnatural sitting on a fence is for the male anatomy <ouch>). I certainly don't see as of yet any other best-fit meeting that benchmark.		::::You have now introduced a third argument (or maybe a corollary to the second) that the information could just as well be placed on the Orz page. Pages have been created on less ([[Firefalls of Nalnar]], [[Servants of Mali]], [[Trooba Fern]], [[Puun-Taffy]]). True we have gotten rid of some, such as '''Ta Puun stick''', but it comes down to the question, at which point do we say that a topic deserves its own article? Yes, below could be discussed in the Orz article, just as QuasiSpace could just be discussed in the Arilou page. Or Earth just on the Human page, or Syra and Gaia just on the Syreen page. I think that the article below, treating both the speculative nature of the best-fit and the information about the Orz home dimension, puts it above (pun totally intended) the benchmark established by that question. I'm not so certain when it comes to Pretty Space, hence my sitting on the fence still on that one (despite how unnatural sitting on a fence is for the male anatomy <ouch>). I certainly don't see as of yet any other best-fit meeting that benchmark.
	::::The alternative of creating an article for outside doesn't fly. Below is the most specific name for the the Orz home dimension, and the most common reference to it among the fanbase. I would say this is similar to the naming guideline on wikipedia where, barring an official name, the most commonly recognized name is used. If the Orz just left it at the fact that they are happy people energy from outside, then yes outside would work. But the Orz go one step further, stating that they are not just from outside, but more particularly below, as opposed to the Arilou who are from outside but above. And the fact that you have invented a paradigm/metaphor where this gets muddled shouldn't have bearing on this. The canon provides a paradigm/metaphor of parallel dimensions (the layered stack of hyperplanes within the multiverse - it's a little too imprecise in view of reality phases, so I hating saying HyperSpace is "above" TrueSpace, but anyways) that easily results in the dominant view of interpreting these best-fits. While I'm trying to assume good faith, I can't help but notice that a lot of your argument for exclusion is based on your own interpretation about what these best-fits mean, and that this looks like an attempt to get the Ultronomicon inline with that interpretation, or at least removing statements/articles that don't fit it, as if to validate it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 01:47, 19 January 2008 (CET)		::::The alternative of creating an article for outside doesn't fly. Below is the most specific name for the the Orz home dimension, and the most common reference to it among the fanbase. I would say this is similar to the naming guideline on wikipedia where, barring an official name, the most commonly recognized name is used. If the Orz just left it at the fact that they are happy people energy from outside, then yes outside would work. But the Orz go one step further, stating that they are not just from outside, but more particularly below, as opposed to the Arilou who are from outside but above. And the fact that you have invented a paradigm/metaphor where this gets muddled shouldn't have bearing on this. The canon provides a paradigm/metaphor of parallel dimensions (the layered stack of hyperplanes within the multiverse - it's a little too imprecise in view of reality phases, so I hating saying HyperSpace is "above" TrueSpace, but anyways) that easily results in the dominant view of interpreting these best-fits. While I'm trying to assume good faith, I can't help but notice that a lot of your argument for exclusion is based on your own interpretation about what these best-fits mean, and that this looks like an attempt to get the Ultronomicon inline with that interpretation, or at least removing statements/articles that don't fit it, as if to validate it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 01:47, 19 January 2008 (CET)

			Where's that depth of "below" you keep telling me of? And this is most certainly ''not'' similar to that naming guideline on Wikipedia; that guideline refers to situations where multiple pertinent names can be used, while in our case "below" is only marginally pertinent. The article doesn't solely talk about below.

			And why should we accept the speculation that below=the Orz home dimension as canon!?

			You misunderstood me when you said that "Pages have been created for less[...]". What I meant is that, as the only pertinent title of this article would be "Orz home dimension", which isn't a canon-introduced name (just as "VUX personality" or "Utwig mask" aren't canon-introduced names), the way of dealing with the issue would be including this in the Orz article.

			And where is that metaphor of multiple hyperplanes found in the canon? And where is "falling down" to TS used?

			And no, I don't want to twist the Ultronomicon and the good work of the people within for my own selfish purposes. I just want to stress that it's way too speculative to just assume that below=Orz home dimension. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 11:08, 19 January 2008 (CET)

Fyzixfighter: /* Dimensions-related Orz best-fits, below, Pretty Space */ reply

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	:::And that most people believe that below is Orz's home dimension isn't enough to warrant below having its own article, especially when the theory can easily be presented on the Orz page. Many people believing a theory make the theory more notable, but not its subject matter. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 00:13, 19 January 2008 (CET)		:::And that most people believe that below is Orz's home dimension isn't enough to warrant below having its own article, especially when the theory can easily be presented on the Orz page. Many people believing a theory make the theory more notable, but not its subject matter. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 00:13, 19 January 2008 (CET)

			::::You misunderstand me just a little. I reference the fanbase as refutation of your initial argument that below doesn't refer to a dimension - I also highly disagree with your IDF model, but that's an argument for another day. Suffice it to say that your using that argument is answered by using the fanbase as a guide when dealing with speculative topics. The reference to depth is to answer your second argument for exclusion, that other best-fits don't have their own page.
			::::You have now introduced a third argument (or maybe a corollary to the second) that the information could just as well be placed on the Orz page. Pages have been created on less ([[Firefalls of Nalnar]], [[Servants of Mali]], [[Trooba Fern]], [[Puun-Taffy]]). True we have gotten rid of some, such as '''Ta Puun stick''', but it comes down to the question, at which point do we say that a topic deserves its own article? Yes, below could be discussed in the Orz article, just as QuasiSpace could just be discussed in the Arilou page. Or Earth just on the Human page, or Syra and Gaia just on the Syreen page. I think that the article below, treating both the speculative nature of the best-fit and the information about the Orz home dimension, puts it above (pun totally intended) the benchmark established by that question. I'm not so certain when it comes to Pretty Space, hence my sitting on the fence still on that one (despite how unnatural sitting on a fence is for the male anatomy <ouch>). I certainly don't see as of yet any other best-fit meeting that benchmark.
			::::The alternative of creating an article for outside doesn't fly. Below is the most specific name for the the Orz home dimension, and the most common reference to it among the fanbase. I would say this is similar to the naming guideline on wikipedia where, barring an official name, the most commonly recognized name is used. If the Orz just left it at the fact that they are happy people energy from outside, then yes outside would work. But the Orz go one step further, stating that they are not just from outside, but more particularly below, as opposed to the Arilou who are from outside but above. And the fact that you have invented a paradigm/metaphor where this gets muddled shouldn't have bearing on this. The canon provides a paradigm/metaphor of parallel dimensions (the layered stack of hyperplanes within the multiverse - it's a little too imprecise in view of reality phases, so I hating saying HyperSpace is "above" TrueSpace, but anyways) that easily results in the dominant view of interpreting these best-fits. While I'm trying to assume good faith, I can't help but notice that a lot of your argument for exclusion is based on your own interpretation about what these best-fits mean, and that this looks like an attempt to get the Ultronomicon inline with that interpretation, or at least removing statements/articles that don't fit it, as if to validate it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 01:47, 19 January 2008 (CET)

Valaggar: reply

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	::Finally, I think we should leave the forums to be the place for indepth discussion of self-consistent theories. Creating a place for them here may be like opening a can of worms - I'm sure I can come up with some really outlandish, self-consistent theory that agrees with the canon but with extreme inventions of fanatic license. Again, I would say that if a self-consistent theory is common enough in the fanbase, then include it on the relevant page in the appropriate way (with link to the discussion).		::Finally, I think we should leave the forums to be the place for indepth discussion of self-consistent theories. Creating a place for them here may be like opening a can of worms - I'm sure I can come up with some really outlandish, self-consistent theory that agrees with the canon but with extreme inventions of fanatic license. Again, I would say that if a self-consistent theory is common enough in the fanbase, then include it on the relevant page in the appropriate way (with link to the discussion).
	::On a related note, I think I've come around to the idea of including IDF and reality phase in this category - though we'll need to recast the category description/definition and I don't think there's a reason to put them outside of the ABC'ed list once this is done. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 22:21, 18 January 2008 (CET)		::On a related note, I think I've come around to the idea of including IDF and reality phase in this category - though we'll need to recast the category description/definition and I don't think there's a reason to put them outside of the ABC'ed list once this is done. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 22:21, 18 January 2008 (CET)

			:::So your arguments for keeping below are 1. that most people believe it's the Orz's home dimension and 2. below's depth, if I understand correctly.
			:::The problem is, the below article actually talks about Orz's home dimension, not about below per se; this sort of information would fit the Orz article better, I'd say. The alternative would be also making an article about outside, but outside and below would still have to be treated together, leading to unnecessary data duplication.

			:::And that most people believe that below is Orz's home dimension isn't enough to warrant below having its own article, especially when the theory can easily be presented on the Orz page. Many people believing a theory make the theory more notable, but not its subject matter. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 00:13, 19 January 2008 (CET)

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	::::You have now introduced a third argument (or maybe a corollary to the second) that the information could just as well be placed on the Orz page. Pages have been created on less ([[Firefalls of Nalnar]], [[Servants of Mali]], [[Trooba Fern]], [[Puun-Taffy]]). True we have gotten rid of some, such as '''Ta Puun stick''', but it comes down to the question, at which point do we say that a topic deserves its own article? Yes, below could be discussed in the Orz article, just as QuasiSpace could just be discussed in the Arilou page. Or Earth just on the Human page, or Syra and Gaia just on the Syreen page. I think that the article below, treating both the speculative nature of the best-fit and the information about the Orz home dimension, puts it above (pun totally intended) the benchmark established by that question. I'm not so certain when it comes to Pretty Space, hence my sitting on the fence still on that one (despite how unnatural sitting on a fence is for the male anatomy <ouch>). I certainly don't see as of yet any other best-fit meeting that benchmark.		::::You have now introduced a third argument (or maybe a corollary to the second) that the information could just as well be placed on the Orz page. Pages have been created on less ([[Firefalls of Nalnar]], [[Servants of Mali]], [[Trooba Fern]], [[Puun-Taffy]]). True we have gotten rid of some, such as '''Ta Puun stick''', but it comes down to the question, at which point do we say that a topic deserves its own article? Yes, below could be discussed in the Orz article, just as QuasiSpace could just be discussed in the Arilou page. Or Earth just on the Human page, or Syra and Gaia just on the Syreen page. I think that the article below, treating both the speculative nature of the best-fit and the information about the Orz home dimension, puts it above (pun totally intended) the benchmark established by that question. I'm not so certain when it comes to Pretty Space, hence my sitting on the fence still on that one (despite how unnatural sitting on a fence is for the male anatomy <ouch>). I certainly don't see as of yet any other best-fit meeting that benchmark.
	::::The alternative of creating an article for outside doesn't fly. Below is the most specific name for the the Orz home dimension, and the most common reference to it among the fanbase. I would say this is similar to the naming guideline on wikipedia where, barring an official name, the most commonly recognized name is used. If the Orz just left it at the fact that they are happy people energy from outside, then yes outside would work. But the Orz go one step further, stating that they are not just from outside, but more particularly below, as opposed to the Arilou who are from outside but above. And the fact that you have invented a paradigm/metaphor where this gets muddled shouldn't have bearing on this. The canon provides a paradigm/metaphor of parallel dimensions (the layered stack of hyperplanes within the multiverse - it's a little too imprecise in view of reality phases, so I hating saying HyperSpace is "above" TrueSpace, but anyways) that easily results in the dominant view of interpreting these best-fits. While I'm trying to assume good faith, I can't help but notice that a lot of your argument for exclusion is based on your own interpretation about what these best-fits mean, and that this looks like an attempt to get the Ultronomicon inline with that interpretation, or at least removing statements/articles that don't fit it, as if to validate it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 01:47, 19 January 2008 (CET)		::::The alternative of creating an article for outside doesn't fly. Below is the most specific name for the the Orz home dimension, and the most common reference to it among the fanbase. I would say this is similar to the naming guideline on wikipedia where, barring an official name, the most commonly recognized name is used. If the Orz just left it at the fact that they are happy people energy from outside, then yes outside would work. But the Orz go one step further, stating that they are not just from outside, but more particularly below, as opposed to the Arilou who are from outside but above. And the fact that you have invented a paradigm/metaphor where this gets muddled shouldn't have bearing on this. The canon provides a paradigm/metaphor of parallel dimensions (the layered stack of hyperplanes within the multiverse - it's a little too imprecise in view of reality phases, so I hating saying HyperSpace is "above" TrueSpace, but anyways) that easily results in the dominant view of interpreting these best-fits. While I'm trying to assume good faith, I can't help but notice that a lot of your argument for exclusion is based on your own interpretation about what these best-fits mean, and that this looks like an attempt to get the Ultronomicon inline with that interpretation, or at least removing statements/articles that don't fit it, as if to validate it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 01:47, 19 January 2008 (CET)

			Where's that depth of "below" you keep telling me of? And this is most certainly ''not'' similar to that naming guideline on Wikipedia; that guideline refers to situations where multiple pertinent names can be used, while in our case "below" is only marginally pertinent. The article doesn't solely talk about below.

			And why should we accept the speculation that below=the Orz home dimension as canon!?

			You misunderstood me when you said that "Pages have been created for less[...]". What I meant is that, as the only pertinent title of this article would be "Orz home dimension", which isn't a canon-introduced name (just as "VUX personality" or "Utwig mask" aren't canon-introduced names), the way of dealing with the issue would be including this in the Orz article.

			And where is that metaphor of multiple hyperplanes found in the canon? And where is "falling down" to TS used?

			And no, I don't want to twist the Ultronomicon and the good work of the people within for my own selfish purposes. I just want to stress that it's way too speculative to just assume that below=Orz home dimension. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 11:08, 19 January 2008 (CET)

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	:::And that most people believe that below is Orz's home dimension isn't enough to warrant below having its own article, especially when the theory can easily be presented on the Orz page. Many people believing a theory make the theory more notable, but not its subject matter. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 00:13, 19 January 2008 (CET)		:::And that most people believe that below is Orz's home dimension isn't enough to warrant below having its own article, especially when the theory can easily be presented on the Orz page. Many people believing a theory make the theory more notable, but not its subject matter. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 00:13, 19 January 2008 (CET)

			::::You misunderstand me just a little. I reference the fanbase as refutation of your initial argument that below doesn't refer to a dimension - I also highly disagree with your IDF model, but that's an argument for another day. Suffice it to say that your using that argument is answered by using the fanbase as a guide when dealing with speculative topics. The reference to depth is to answer your second argument for exclusion, that other best-fits don't have their own page.
			::::You have now introduced a third argument (or maybe a corollary to the second) that the information could just as well be placed on the Orz page. Pages have been created on less ([[Firefalls of Nalnar]], [[Servants of Mali]], [[Trooba Fern]], [[Puun-Taffy]]). True we have gotten rid of some, such as '''Ta Puun stick''', but it comes down to the question, at which point do we say that a topic deserves its own article? Yes, below could be discussed in the Orz article, just as QuasiSpace could just be discussed in the Arilou page. Or Earth just on the Human page, or Syra and Gaia just on the Syreen page. I think that the article below, treating both the speculative nature of the best-fit and the information about the Orz home dimension, puts it above (pun totally intended) the benchmark established by that question. I'm not so certain when it comes to Pretty Space, hence my sitting on the fence still on that one (despite how unnatural sitting on a fence is for the male anatomy <ouch>). I certainly don't see as of yet any other best-fit meeting that benchmark.
			::::The alternative of creating an article for outside doesn't fly. Below is the most specific name for the the Orz home dimension, and the most common reference to it among the fanbase. I would say this is similar to the naming guideline on wikipedia where, barring an official name, the most commonly recognized name is used. If the Orz just left it at the fact that they are happy people energy from outside, then yes outside would work. But the Orz go one step further, stating that they are not just from outside, but more particularly below, as opposed to the Arilou who are from outside but above. And the fact that you have invented a paradigm/metaphor where this gets muddled shouldn't have bearing on this. The canon provides a paradigm/metaphor of parallel dimensions (the layered stack of hyperplanes within the multiverse - it's a little too imprecise in view of reality phases, so I hating saying HyperSpace is "above" TrueSpace, but anyways) that easily results in the dominant view of interpreting these best-fits. While I'm trying to assume good faith, I can't help but notice that a lot of your argument for exclusion is based on your own interpretation about what these best-fits mean, and that this looks like an attempt to get the Ultronomicon inline with that interpretation, or at least removing statements/articles that don't fit it, as if to validate it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 01:47, 19 January 2008 (CET)

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