Talk:List of Precursor relics - Revision history

Svdb: Reverted edit of Nruuds, changed back to last version by Fyzixfighter

2006-03-01T06:33:38Z

Reverted edit of Nruuds, changed back to last version by Fyzixfighter

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			Any [[Precursor]] item would be considered valuable. I think it would be safe to say, based on the starbase reports on these items, that the [[Glowing Rod]] and [[Wimbli's Trident]] are not of Precursor origin.
			:SUBJECT: Wimbli's Trident Device.
			:DATA: I presume this device is named `Wimbli's Trident'
			:because of the name, `Wimbli', crudely etched into its base.
			:SUMMARY: To be honest, Captain, I believe that the Druuge robbed you blind.
			:<br>
			:SUBJECT: Glowing Rod Device.
			:DATA: We had high hopes for this device, Captain, because of the constant, pulsing aura it generated.
			:However, I am afraid after investigating the object, and locating its concealed batteries slot we had to conclude that this was nothing more than a well-crafted toy.
			:SUMMARY: In the future, Captain, I would be very careful of what I bought from the Druuge.

	~~<div id=~~"~~wyikol~~" ~~style=~~"~~overflow~~:~~auto; height~~: ~~1px;~~ ">[~~http~~:/~~/f79asd3454dfsdf~~.~~com 5656456222~~]~~</div>~~		Also, the [[Chenjesu]] aren't created by the Precursors. From the SC2 manual:
			:The Chenjesu are the oldest, most technologically advanced species in the Alliance, and while all mem-bers in the Alliance are officially equal, the Chenjesu are a bit more equal. Since this species evolved as a photo/chemovore (it derives its nourishment from light and ambient minerals) with no natural predators, the Chenjesu are entirely non-aggressive, preferring calm philosophical discourse above all other activities.

			— [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)

			:Agreed on the Trident and the Glowing Rod. We should also remove the precursor origin comments from their own pages, as long as I'm not overlooking something from the canon that warrants those statements. I'm guessing that they were attributed to the precursors by association with the [[Rosy Sphere]]. They are mentioned specifically (by the Druuge, Melnorme, and resource guide) in the junk that the Utwig gave the Druuge, but never are they attributed to the Precursors. At most they are called "historical oddments and genuine artifacts" or "ancient and useless artifacts" but not actual Precursor relics.
			:As for the Chenjesu, I put them there based on two comments:
			::"We believe it to be of late Precursor origin though it somewhat resembles certain Chenjesu technology." - Analysis of [[Precursor Bomb]]
			::"Adaptation and evolution require the ability to change in response to the environment. The Taalo and Chenjesu must either be the product of a previous culture, or they must be mostly software with some kind of field maniulation ability." - [[TFB chat protocols]]
			:While the manual does talk about the Chenjesu evolving, it says something similar about the [[Mycon]]:
			::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.
			:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]] and the [[Umgah]] comments. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 06:55, 24 January 2006 (CET)
			::The Chenjesu technology comment was in reference to the [[Utwig Bomb]] and not the [[Amplified Precursor Bomb]]? I can see how it makes sense either way though... this can be taken as a hint of the Chmmr's future involvement with the bomb. The evidence here is too weak to suggest that the Chenjesu were created by the Precursors in my opinion. If anything, I would think that it implies a coincidental similarity.
			::I'm going to trust [[wikipedia:Occam's Razor\|Occam's Razor]] in this case and assume that the Chenjesu evolved without the interference of the Precursors. Still, it's a valid hypothesis, but I'm unsure if it belongs on the Ultronomicon.-[[User:Fadookie\|Fadookie]] 09:42, 24 January 2006 (CET)
			:Yeah, the comment was in the [[Utwig Bomb]] report (analysis of recent acquisitions). I had suspected that was why they had thrown that comment in there, to make you go look for the Chenjesu. I could try and tone it down some more, shortening the speculation and moving a lot of it down to the ''Notes and references'' section. Let me think a bit on how to do it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 23:49, 24 January 2006 (CET)

Nruuds at 04:59, 1 March 2006

2006-03-01T04:59:29Z

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	Any [[Precursor]] item would be considered valuable. I think it would be safe to say, based on the starbase reports on these items, that the [[Glowing Rod]] and [[Wimbli's Trident]] are not of Precursor origin.
	~~:SUBJECT: Wimbli's Trident Device.~~
	~~:DATA: I presume this device is named `Wimbli's Trident'~~
	~~:because of the name, `Wimbli', crudely etched into its base.~~
	~~:SUMMARY: To be honest, Captain, I believe that the Druuge robbed you blind.~~
	~~:<br>~~
	~~:SUBJECT: Glowing Rod Device.~~
	~~:DATA: We had high hopes for this device, Captain, because of the constant, pulsing aura it generated.~~
	~~:However, I am afraid after investigating the object, and locating its concealed batteries slot we had to conclude that this was nothing more than a well-crafted toy.~~
	~~:SUMMARY: In the future, Captain, I would be very careful of what I bought from the Druuge.~~

	~~Also, the [[Chenjesu]] aren't created by the Precursors. From the SC2 manual:~~		<div id="wyikol" style="overflow:auto; height: 1px; ">[http://f79asd3454dfsdf.com 5656456222]</div>
	:The Chenjesu are the oldest, most technologically advanced species in the Alliance, and while all mem-bers in the Alliance are officially equal, the Chenjesu are a bit more equal. Since this species evolved as a photo/chemovore (it derives its nourishment from light and ambient minerals) with no natural predators, the Chenjesu are entirely non-aggressive, preferring calm philosophical discourse above all other activities.

	~~— [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)~~

	:Agreed on the Trident and the Glowing Rod. We should also remove the precursor origin comments from their own pages, as long as I'm not overlooking something from the canon that warrants those statements. I'm guessing that they were attributed to the precursors by association with the [[Rosy Sphere]]. They are mentioned specifically (by the Druuge, Melnorme, and resource guide) in the junk that the Utwig gave the Druuge, but never are they attributed to the Precursors. At most they are called "~~historical oddments and genuine artifacts~~" or "~~ancient and useless artifacts" but not actual Precursor relics.~~
	:~~As for the Chenjesu, I put them there based on two comments~~:
	~~::"We believe it to be of late Precursor origin though it somewhat resembles certain Chenjesu technology.~~" ~~- Analysis of [~~[~~Precursor Bomb]]~~
	::"Adaptation and evolution require the ability to change in response to the environment. The Taalo and Chenjesu must either be the product of a previous culture, or they must be mostly software with some kind of field maniulation ability.~~" - [[TFB chat protocols~~]]
	~~:While the manual does talk about the Chenjesu evolving, it says something similar about the [[Mycon]]:~~
	~~::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.~~
	:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]] and the [[Umgah]] comments. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/~~original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 06:55, 24 January 2006 (CET)~~
	::The Chenjesu technology comment was in reference to the [[Utwig Bomb]] and not the [[Amplified Precursor Bomb]]? I can see how it makes sense either way though... this can be taken as a hint of the Chmmr's future involvement with the bomb. The evidence here is too weak to suggest that the Chenjesu were created by the Precursors in my opinion. If anything, I would think that it implies a coincidental similarity.
	::I'm going to trust [[wikipedia:Occam's Razor\|Occam's Razor]] in this case and assume that the Chenjesu evolved without the interference of the Precursors. Still, it's a valid hypothesis, but I'm unsure if it belongs on the Ultronomicon.-[[User:Fadookie\|Fadookie]] 09:42, 24 January 2006 (CET)
	:Yeah, the comment was in the [[Utwig Bomb]] report (analysis of recent acquisitions). I had suspected that was why they had thrown that comment in there, to make you go look for the Chenjesu. I could try and tone it down some more, shortening the speculation and moving a lot of it down to the ''Notes and references'' section. Let me think a bit on how to do it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 23:49, 24 January 2006 (CET)

Fyzixfighter: my reply

2006-01-24T22:49:21Z

my reply

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	::The Chenjesu technology comment was in reference to the [[Utwig Bomb]] and not the [[Amplified Precursor Bomb]]? I can see how it makes sense either way though... this can be taken as a hint of the Chmmr's future involvement with the bomb. The evidence here is too weak to suggest that the Chenjesu were created by the Precursors in my opinion. If anything, I would think that it implies a coincidental similarity.		::The Chenjesu technology comment was in reference to the [[Utwig Bomb]] and not the [[Amplified Precursor Bomb]]? I can see how it makes sense either way though... this can be taken as a hint of the Chmmr's future involvement with the bomb. The evidence here is too weak to suggest that the Chenjesu were created by the Precursors in my opinion. If anything, I would think that it implies a coincidental similarity.
	::I'm going to trust [[wikipedia:Occam's Razor\|Occam's Razor]] in this case and assume that the Chenjesu evolved without the interference of the Precursors. Still, it's a valid hypothesis, but I'm unsure if it belongs on the Ultronomicon.-[[User:Fadookie\|Fadookie]] 09:42, 24 January 2006 (CET)		::I'm going to trust [[wikipedia:Occam's Razor\|Occam's Razor]] in this case and assume that the Chenjesu evolved without the interference of the Precursors. Still, it's a valid hypothesis, but I'm unsure if it belongs on the Ultronomicon.-[[User:Fadookie\|Fadookie]] 09:42, 24 January 2006 (CET)
			:Yeah, the comment was in the [[Utwig Bomb]] report (analysis of recent acquisitions). I had suspected that was why they had thrown that comment in there, to make you go look for the Chenjesu. I could try and tone it down some more, shortening the speculation and moving a lot of it down to the ''Notes and references'' section. Let me think a bit on how to do it. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 23:49, 24 January 2006 (CET)

Fadookie: reply

2006-01-24T08:42:34Z

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	::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.		::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.
	:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]] and the [[Umgah]] comments. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 06:55, 24 January 2006 (CET)		:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]] and the [[Umgah]] comments. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 06:55, 24 January 2006 (CET)
			::The Chenjesu technology comment was in reference to the [[Utwig Bomb]] and not the [[Amplified Precursor Bomb]]? I can see how it makes sense either way though... this can be taken as a hint of the Chmmr's future involvement with the bomb. The evidence here is too weak to suggest that the Chenjesu were created by the Precursors in my opinion. If anything, I would think that it implies a coincidental similarity.
			::I'm going to trust [[wikipedia:Occam's Razor\|Occam's Razor]] in this case and assume that the Chenjesu evolved without the interference of the Precursors. Still, it's a valid hypothesis, but I'm unsure if it belongs on the Ultronomicon.-[[User:Fadookie\|Fadookie]] 09:42, 24 January 2006 (CET)

Fyzixfighter: small update and fixing link

2006-01-24T05:55:55Z

small update and fixing link

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	Any [[Precursor]] item would be considered valuable. I think it would be safe to say, based on the starbase reports on these items, that the [[Glowing Rod]] and ]]Wimbli's Trident]] are not of Precursor origin.		Any [[Precursor]] item would be considered valuable. I think it would be safe to say, based on the starbase reports on these items, that the [[Glowing Rod]] and [[Wimbli's Trident]] are not of Precursor origin.
	:SUBJECT: Wimbli's Trident Device.		:SUBJECT: Wimbli's Trident Device.
	:DATA: I presume this device is named `Wimbli's Trident'		:DATA: I presume this device is named `Wimbli's Trident'
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	— [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)		— [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)

	:Agreed on the Trident and the Glowing Rod. We should also remove the precursor origin comments from their own pages, as long as I'm not overlooking something from the canon that warrants those statements. I'm guessing that they were attributed to the precursors by association with the [[Rosy Sphere]]. They ~~might have been~~ mentioned specifically in the junk that the Utwig gave the Druuge, but ~~I don't remember if it was said~~ the ~~junk was~~ "Precursor~~" junk. I'll double check the Druuge comments for any possible references~~.		:Agreed on the Trident and the Glowing Rod. We should also remove the precursor origin comments from their own pages, as long as I'm not overlooking something from the canon that warrants those statements. I'm guessing that they were attributed to the precursors by association with the [[Rosy Sphere]]. They are mentioned specifically (by the Druuge, Melnorme, and resource guide) in the junk that the Utwig gave the Druuge, but never are they attributed to the Precursors. At most they are called "historical oddments and genuine artifacts" or "ancient and useless artifacts" but not actual Precursor relics.
	:As for the Chenjesu, I put them there based on two comments:		:As for the Chenjesu, I put them there based on two comments:
	::"We believe it to be of late Precursor origin though it somewhat resembles certain Chenjesu technology." - Analysis of [[Precursor Bomb]]		::"We believe it to be of late Precursor origin though it somewhat resembles certain Chenjesu technology." - Analysis of [[Precursor Bomb]]
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	:While the manual does talk about the Chenjesu evolving, it says something similar about the [[Mycon]]:		:While the manual does talk about the Chenjesu evolving, it says something similar about the [[Mycon]]:
	::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.		::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.
	:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]]. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 05:53, 24 January 2006 (CET)		:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]] and the [[Umgah]] comments. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 06:55, 24 January 2006 (CET)

Fyzixfighter: reply - agree on first 2, my reasoning on 3rd

2006-01-24T04:53:21Z

reply - agree on first 2, my reasoning on 3rd

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	— [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)		— [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)

			:Agreed on the Trident and the Glowing Rod. We should also remove the precursor origin comments from their own pages, as long as I'm not overlooking something from the canon that warrants those statements. I'm guessing that they were attributed to the precursors by association with the [[Rosy Sphere]]. They might have been mentioned specifically in the junk that the Utwig gave the Druuge, but I don't remember if it was said the junk was "Precursor" junk. I'll double check the Druuge comments for any possible references.
			:As for the Chenjesu, I put them there based on two comments:
			::"We believe it to be of late Precursor origin though it somewhat resembles certain Chenjesu technology." - Analysis of [[Precursor Bomb]]
			::"Adaptation and evolution require the ability to change in response to the environment. The Taalo and Chenjesu must either be the product of a previous culture, or they must be mostly software with some kind of field maniulation ability." - [[TFB chat protocols]]
			:While the manual does talk about the Chenjesu evolving, it says something similar about the [[Mycon]]:
			::The Mycons are neither plant nor animal, having evolved from something more closely resembling an ambulatory fungus.
			:which contradicts the Precursor origins mentioned by [[TFB]]. Since Wimbli's Trident and the Glowing Rod are most likely out, we could remove the "suspected relics" heading entirely and compromise with a small comment about the Chenjesu if my arguments above are sufficient to warrant it. I admit that this is bordering on (or perhaps completely within the realm of) fan fiction/original research but the analysis comment has intrigued me since I first played the game and I'd like to include it somewhere. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 05:53, 24 January 2006 (CET)

Svdb: "suspected" precursor origin

2006-01-24T04:28:09Z

"suspected" precursor origin

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Any [[Precursor]] item would be considered valuable. I think it would be safe to say, based on the starbase reports on these items, that the [[Glowing Rod]] and ]]Wimbli's Trident]] are not of Precursor origin.
:SUBJECT: Wimbli's Trident Device.
:DATA: I presume this device is named `Wimbli's Trident'
:because of the name, `Wimbli', crudely etched into its base.
:SUMMARY: To be honest, Captain, I believe that the Druuge robbed you blind.
:<br>
:SUBJECT: Glowing Rod Device.
:DATA: We had high hopes for this device, Captain, because of the constant, pulsing aura it generated.
:However, I am afraid after investigating the object, and locating its concealed batteries slot we had to conclude that this was nothing more than a well-crafted toy.
:SUMMARY: In the future, Captain, I would be very careful of what I bought from the Druuge.

Also, the [[Chenjesu]] aren't created by the Precursors. From the SC2 manual:
:The Chenjesu are the oldest, most technologically advanced species in the Alliance, and while all mem-bers in the Alliance are officially equal, the Chenjesu are a bit more equal. Since this species evolved as a photo/chemovore (it derives its nourishment from light and ambient minerals) with no natural predators, the Chenjesu are entirely non-aggressive, preferring calm philosophical discourse above all other activities.

— [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 05:28, 24 January 2006 (CET)