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	Precursors probably met Orz (BEFORE we even made clones), and made a translator of their OLD language.		Precursors probably met Orz (BEFORE we even made clones), and made a translator of their OLD language.
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	~~== Ik ben ==~~

	~~waarom niet:)~~

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Ik ben: new section

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	Precursors probably met Orz (BEFORE we even made clones), and made a translator of their OLD language.		Precursors probably met Orz (BEFORE we even made clones), and made a translator of their OLD language.
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			== Ik ben ==

			waarom niet:)

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ORZ - who and what: new section

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	:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)		:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)

			== ORZ - who and what ==

			Orz are probably NOT related to androsynth.
			"Orz are from below" (arilou) = lower plane of existence., and/or the fact that they're still FISH.
			It is likely that the Precursor translator "catches" the original Orz language, while what they speak now is damaged and jargonized version of their language.
			Chinese Simplified with Chinese traditional dictionary - something like that, only with more difference.
			"energy" = "being"/"presence"
			"people" = "sentient"/...
			"jump" = "start"/"launch"/...
			"pepper" = "firework"/"rocket"/"fire"/...
			"camper" = "neighbor"/"ally"/"companion"
			"finger" = "minion"/...
			... means that there might be other meaning(s), including the direct meaning of the word, and/or the other meaning(s) being not very important for completing the game.
			From the table above, "people energy" = "sentient being".
			Precursors probably met Orz (BEFORE we even made clones), and made a translator of their OLD language.
			[[Special:Contributions/94.233.199.142\|94.233.199.142]] 11:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Fyzixfighter: Reverted edits by 195.3.157.254 (Talk) to last revision by Valaggar

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Reverted edits by 195.3.157.254 (Talk) to last revision by Valaggar

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	:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)		:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)

	~~== re: ==~~

	~~Many thanks.~~

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re:: new section

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	:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)		:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)

			== re: ==

			Many thanks.

Valaggar: /* shouldnt the.. */

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shouldnt the..

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	..obsolete (and badly worded ;) ) theories be removed? --[[User:84.159.161.150\|84.159.161.150]] 20:34, 22 October 2007 (CEST)		..obsolete (and badly worded ;) ) theories be removed? --[[User:84.159.161.150\|84.159.161.150]] 20:34, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

	:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:20, 23 October 2007 (CEST)		:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. Though, I think that the "Orz seek to take advantage of indigenous races in some undefined way" "theory" ought to be removed - it's way too vague and almost a truism. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:23, 23 October 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* shouldnt the.. */ reply

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shouldnt the..: reply

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	..obsolete (and badly worded ;) ) theories be removed? --[[User:84.159.161.150\|84.159.161.150]] 20:34, 22 October 2007 (CEST)		..obsolete (and badly worded ;) ) theories be removed? --[[User:84.159.161.150\|84.159.161.150]] 20:34, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

			:Not necessarily. Even if the Twin Gods have confirmed the Orz=Them theory, they might decide to change that when they finally get to creating a sequel. Besides, they're still theories that have been supported by a lot of people before that revelation, so they still have a "historical" value. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:20, 23 October 2007 (CEST)

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	::::It's rather about the more interesting idea than the simpler one, in this case, so Occam's Razor is not the best argument; but you're right, it is speculative enough... Orz may be just the totality of TrueSpace fingers of Them, or have a conscience of its/his own (though since it is strange to say that a "race" is "a" projection, it's rather the latter, in my opinion). However, as there are only two interpretations, I think they would make it as sub-theories/corollaries for "The Orz are Them" theory. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 21:01, 14 June 2007 (CEST)		::::It's rather about the more interesting idea than the simpler one, in this case, so Occam's Razor is not the best argument; but you're right, it is speculative enough... Orz may be just the totality of TrueSpace fingers of Them, or have a conscience of its/his own (though since it is strange to say that a "race" is "a" projection, it's rather the latter, in my opinion). However, as there are only two interpretations, I think they would make it as sub-theories/corollaries for "The Orz are Them" theory. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 21:01, 14 June 2007 (CEST)

			== shouldnt the.. ==

			..obsolete (and badly worded ;) ) theories be removed? --[[User:84.159.161.150\|84.159.161.150]] 20:34, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* Fish=projection of Orz; Orz=projection of Them */ additions

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	:::Sorry, let me try to be a bit clearer. It appears that the word Orz could have a few meanings: the fish-thingies we see as Orz, and the overall race, and the Them entity whose fingers they are (based on the Orz 1st person pronouns). Notice <fwiffo>'s comment "In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)" which I interpret to mean that the Orz (fish-thingies) are the fingers. The fact that PR3 uses ''is'' could be simply referring to the Orz race as a whole (still kind of awkward english), but also be related to the fact that the Orz are something of a hivemind, and so really only one individual entity, and english lacks the correct verb forms (reminds me of H2G2 discussion of verb tenses for time-travellers) to accurately describe this relationship - "You must remember that we are tied to a language which makes up for in obscurity what it lacks in style." So to sum up: The Orz is the part of Them that is projected into TrueSpace, and we perceive this projection (or fingers - notice the plural) as the Orz (which I take to mean the fish-thingies). I don't really see the need for a double projection idea, as a single projection idea adequately explains and squares with all the statements imo, and multiple projections seems like epicenters within epicenters, makes too many unwarranted assumptions (occam's razor again), and reads too much into ambiguous verb forms; we can't say this double projection idea without falling into speculation. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:24, 14 June 2007 (CEST)		:::Sorry, let me try to be a bit clearer. It appears that the word Orz could have a few meanings: the fish-thingies we see as Orz, and the overall race, and the Them entity whose fingers they are (based on the Orz 1st person pronouns). Notice <fwiffo>'s comment "In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)" which I interpret to mean that the Orz (fish-thingies) are the fingers. The fact that PR3 uses ''is'' could be simply referring to the Orz race as a whole (still kind of awkward english), but also be related to the fact that the Orz are something of a hivemind, and so really only one individual entity, and english lacks the correct verb forms (reminds me of H2G2 discussion of verb tenses for time-travellers) to accurately describe this relationship - "You must remember that we are tied to a language which makes up for in obscurity what it lacks in style." So to sum up: The Orz is the part of Them that is projected into TrueSpace, and we perceive this projection (or fingers - notice the plural) as the Orz (which I take to mean the fish-thingies). I don't really see the need for a double projection idea, as a single projection idea adequately explains and squares with all the statements imo, and multiple projections seems like epicenters within epicenters, makes too many unwarranted assumptions (occam's razor again), and reads too much into ambiguous verb forms; we can't say this double projection idea without falling into speculation. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:24, 14 June 2007 (CEST)

	::::It's rather about the more interesting idea than the simpler one, in this case, so Occam's Razor is not the best argument; but you're right, it is speculative enough... Orz may be just the totality of TrueSpace fingers of Them. However, as there are only two interpretations, I think they would make it as sub-theories/corollaries for "The Orz are Them" theory. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 21:01, 14 June 2007 (CEST)		::::It's rather about the more interesting idea than the simpler one, in this case, so Occam's Razor is not the best argument; but you're right, it is speculative enough... Orz may be just the totality of TrueSpace fingers of Them, or have a conscience of its/his own (though since it is strange to say that a "race" is "a" projection, it's rather the latter, in my opinion). However, as there are only two interpretations, I think they would make it as sub-theories/corollaries for "The Orz are Them" theory. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 21:01, 14 June 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* Fish=projection of Orz; Orz=projection of Them */ reply

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Fish=projection of Orz; Orz=projection of Them: reply

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	:::Sorry, let me try to be a bit clearer. It appears that the word Orz could have a few meanings: the fish-thingies we see as Orz, and the overall race, and the Them entity whose fingers they are (based on the Orz 1st person pronouns). Notice <fwiffo>'s comment "In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)" which I interpret to mean that the Orz (fish-thingies) are the fingers. The fact that PR3 uses ''is'' could be simply referring to the Orz race as a whole (still kind of awkward english), but also be related to the fact that the Orz are something of a hivemind, and so really only one individual entity, and english lacks the correct verb forms (reminds me of H2G2 discussion of verb tenses for time-travellers) to accurately describe this relationship - "You must remember that we are tied to a language which makes up for in obscurity what it lacks in style." So to sum up: The Orz is the part of Them that is projected into TrueSpace, and we perceive this projection (or fingers - notice the plural) as the Orz (which I take to mean the fish-thingies). I don't really see the need for a double projection idea, as a single projection idea adequately explains and squares with all the statements imo, and multiple projections seems like epicenters within epicenters, makes too many unwarranted assumptions (occam's razor again), and reads too much into ambiguous verb forms; we can't say this double projection idea without falling into speculation. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:24, 14 June 2007 (CEST)		:::Sorry, let me try to be a bit clearer. It appears that the word Orz could have a few meanings: the fish-thingies we see as Orz, and the overall race, and the Them entity whose fingers they are (based on the Orz 1st person pronouns). Notice <fwiffo>'s comment "In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)" which I interpret to mean that the Orz (fish-thingies) are the fingers. The fact that PR3 uses ''is'' could be simply referring to the Orz race as a whole (still kind of awkward english), but also be related to the fact that the Orz are something of a hivemind, and so really only one individual entity, and english lacks the correct verb forms (reminds me of H2G2 discussion of verb tenses for time-travellers) to accurately describe this relationship - "You must remember that we are tied to a language which makes up for in obscurity what it lacks in style." So to sum up: The Orz is the part of Them that is projected into TrueSpace, and we perceive this projection (or fingers - notice the plural) as the Orz (which I take to mean the fish-thingies). I don't really see the need for a double projection idea, as a single projection idea adequately explains and squares with all the statements imo, and multiple projections seems like epicenters within epicenters, makes too many unwarranted assumptions (occam's razor again), and reads too much into ambiguous verb forms; we can't say this double projection idea without falling into speculation. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:24, 14 June 2007 (CEST)

			::::It's rather about the more interesting idea than the simpler one, in this case, so Occam's Razor is not the best argument; but you're right, it is speculative enough... Orz may be just the totality of TrueSpace fingers of Them. However, as there are only two interpretations, I think they would make it as sub-theories/corollaries for "The Orz are Them" theory. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 21:01, 14 June 2007 (CEST)