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Donutcity: /* Precursor Bomb from Utwig Space */ new section

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			== Precursor Bomb from Utwig Space ==

			If you do not ally with the Utwig (by fixing the Ultron), can you still get the bomb? Can you just send the Flagship to knock off the Maulers and take the bomb? [[User:Donutcity\|Donutcity]] ([[User talk:Donutcity\|talk]]) 03:12, 11 July 2015 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* Meeting the Slylandro gasbags */ I got it

2007-06-24T07:29:36Z

Meeting the Slylandro gasbags: I got it

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	:::The probelm IMO is that you are trying to map a multi-dimensional problem to a single dimension. In all honesty, I would move the ZFP-syreen fleet comment all the way down to fully optional as it neither is a near certainty (Hayes) nor is needed to "makes sense" like doing everything before the Death March wipes out nearly everyone. If you look at the rubric for categorizing these events it has always been within the context of gameplay - including the "make sense" bit, gameplay-wise it makes sense to do everything before the Kohr-Ah go black plague on the galaxy. The "assumed" group handles some of the gray areas (like the probe - not required, but dang hard to avoid!), but anything included there should be carefully weighed against that established criteria. A canonized event is another creature entirely, it's got nothing to do with gameplay and everything to do with keeping a consistent canon. Like I said before, I think there is room for such a grouping, which would also address the Slylandro issue if it exists, within the optional category (thus maintaining the multi-variate nature of the events), but we should wait until a canon is established (ie the sequel is made) that needs it before doing so - a lot can happen between the inception of the idea and final creation of the product (remember the dataplate and cloaking device). Once the sequel is made I would gladly make/support changes accordingly (like changing the optional events heading on [[Fwiffo]]) and instead use a blurb to explain the optional nature within the SC2 game, but not before. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:16, 23 June 2007 (CEST)		:::The probelm IMO is that you are trying to map a multi-dimensional problem to a single dimension. In all honesty, I would move the ZFP-syreen fleet comment all the way down to fully optional as it neither is a near certainty (Hayes) nor is needed to "makes sense" like doing everything before the Death March wipes out nearly everyone. If you look at the rubric for categorizing these events it has always been within the context of gameplay - including the "make sense" bit, gameplay-wise it makes sense to do everything before the Kohr-Ah go black plague on the galaxy. The "assumed" group handles some of the gray areas (like the probe - not required, but dang hard to avoid!), but anything included there should be carefully weighed against that established criteria. A canonized event is another creature entirely, it's got nothing to do with gameplay and everything to do with keeping a consistent canon. Like I said before, I think there is room for such a grouping, which would also address the Slylandro issue if it exists, within the optional category (thus maintaining the multi-variate nature of the events), but we should wait until a canon is established (ie the sequel is made) that needs it before doing so - a lot can happen between the inception of the idea and final creation of the product (remember the dataplate and cloaking device). Once the sequel is made I would gladly make/support changes accordingly (like changing the optional events heading on [[Fwiffo]]) and instead use a blurb to explain the optional nature within the SC2 game, but not before. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:16, 23 June 2007 (CEST)

			::::Comprendo. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 09:29, 24 June 2007 (CEST)

Fyzixfighter: /* Meeting the Slylandro gasbags */ reply

2007-06-23T18:16:22Z

Meeting the Slylandro gasbags: reply

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	::Only the strictly mandatory events need to be done in order to complete the game. The events assumed as mandatory are actually optional, but since they make sense, they are considered canon. The Fwiffo thing is no different (though meeting the Slylandro should remain optional, lest a lot of optional things will have to be moved as well). [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 08:36, 23 June 2007 (CEST)		::Only the strictly mandatory events need to be done in order to complete the game. The events assumed as mandatory are actually optional, but since they make sense, they are considered canon. The Fwiffo thing is no different (though meeting the Slylandro should remain optional, lest a lot of optional things will have to be moved as well). [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 08:36, 23 June 2007 (CEST)

			:::The probelm IMO is that you are trying to map a multi-dimensional problem to a single dimension. In all honesty, I would move the ZFP-syreen fleet comment all the way down to fully optional as it neither is a near certainty (Hayes) nor is needed to "makes sense" like doing everything before the Death March wipes out nearly everyone. If you look at the rubric for categorizing these events it has always been within the context of gameplay - including the "make sense" bit, gameplay-wise it makes sense to do everything before the Kohr-Ah go black plague on the galaxy. The "assumed" group handles some of the gray areas (like the probe - not required, but dang hard to avoid!), but anything included there should be carefully weighed against that established criteria. A canonized event is another creature entirely, it's got nothing to do with gameplay and everything to do with keeping a consistent canon. Like I said before, I think there is room for such a grouping, which would also address the Slylandro issue if it exists, within the optional category (thus maintaining the multi-variate nature of the events), but we should wait until a canon is established (ie the sequel is made) that needs it before doing so - a lot can happen between the inception of the idea and final creation of the product (remember the dataplate and cloaking device). Once the sequel is made I would gladly make/support changes accordingly (like changing the optional events heading on [[Fwiffo]]) and instead use a blurb to explain the optional nature within the SC2 game, but not before. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 20:16, 23 June 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* Meeting the Slylandro gasbags */ reply

2007-06-23T06:36:15Z

Meeting the Slylandro gasbags: reply

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	:Well until the sequel comes out, I think we should refrain from second-guessing what will be in it or not. Also, the mandatory-optional distinction is based on what you need to do to beat the game. Once the sequel is made <crosses fingers>, then we can add a '''Canonized events''' under the optional heading for those events that are optional in terms of game play, but are necessary for the canon to be consistent - such as alliance with and survival of Fwiffo. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 23:12, 22 June 2007 (CEST)		:Well until the sequel comes out, I think we should refrain from second-guessing what will be in it or not. Also, the mandatory-optional distinction is based on what you need to do to beat the game. Once the sequel is made <crosses fingers>, then we can add a '''Canonized events''' under the optional heading for those events that are optional in terms of game play, but are necessary for the canon to be consistent - such as alliance with and survival of Fwiffo. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 23:12, 22 June 2007 (CEST)

			::Only the strictly mandatory events need to be done in order to complete the game. The events assumed as mandatory are actually optional, but since they make sense, they are considered canon. The Fwiffo thing is no different (though meeting the Slylandro should remain optional, lest a lot of optional things will have to be moved as well). [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 08:36, 23 June 2007 (CEST)

Fyzixfighter: /* Meeting the Slylandro gasbags */ reply - let's not get ahead of ourselves

2007-06-22T21:12:10Z

Meeting the Slylandro gasbags: reply - let's not get ahead of ourselves

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	Why isn't meeting them assumed as mandatory? After all, if The Captain didn't meet him in SC2, then he will either not meet them ever (which isn't particularly likely, from the point of game design) or will meet them for the first time in the sequel (weird). And some important things (especially about the Precursors) can only be learned from the Slylandro, and learning the same things again in the sequel, from another source, is completely... ridiculous. As is letting the Probes rampage through the universe. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 19:37, 22 June 2007 (CEST)		Why isn't meeting them assumed as mandatory? After all, if The Captain didn't meet him in SC2, then he will either not meet them ever (which isn't particularly likely, from the point of game design) or will meet them for the first time in the sequel (weird). And some important things (especially about the Precursors) can only be learned from the Slylandro, and learning the same things again in the sequel, from another source, is completely... ridiculous. As is letting the Probes rampage through the universe. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 19:37, 22 June 2007 (CEST)

			:Well until the sequel comes out, I think we should refrain from second-guessing what will be in it or not. Also, the mandatory-optional distinction is based on what you need to do to beat the game. Once the sequel is made <crosses fingers>, then we can add a '''Canonized events''' under the optional heading for those events that are optional in terms of game play, but are necessary for the canon to be consistent - such as alliance with and survival of Fwiffo. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 23:12, 22 June 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: Meeting the Slylandro gasbags

2007-06-22T17:37:10Z

Meeting the Slylandro gasbags

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	Ah... well, they say "A Human ship is a poor second to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought. Your weapons do not have the killing strength of an Ur-Quan fusion blast. SNORT! The Ur-Quan are still your betters.", which lead me to believe that there is a weapon requirement. It seems that there is not. Sorry. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:37, 16 May 2007 (CEST)		Ah... well, they say "A Human ship is a poor second to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought. Your weapons do not have the killing strength of an Ur-Quan fusion blast. SNORT! The Ur-Quan are still your betters.", which lead me to believe that there is a weapon requirement. It seems that there is not. Sorry. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:37, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

			== Meeting the Slylandro gasbags ==

			Why isn't meeting them assumed as mandatory? After all, if The Captain didn't meet him in SC2, then he will either not meet them ever (which isn't particularly likely, from the point of game design) or will meet them for the first time in the sequel (weird). And some important things (especially about the Precursors) can only be learned from the Slylandro, and learning the same things again in the sequel, from another source, is completely... ridiculous. As is letting the Probes rampage through the universe. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 19:37, 22 June 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* Thraddash alliance */ ATTN MediaWiki developers: Add an auto-signing feature

2007-05-16T12:37:08Z

Thraddash alliance: ATTN MediaWiki developers: Add an auto-signing feature

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	Okay, so I just did it again - this time with just a single fusion blaster mounted in the rear and 2 ATS. Each shot did 4 points of damage, and they still surrender after I kill 25 of them. So unless the code says otherwise, I don't think there is a weaponry requirement. It may have just been a coincidence that you always had hellbore cannons when they allied with you. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 03:36, 16 May 2007 (CEST)		Okay, so I just did it again - this time with just a single fusion blaster mounted in the rear and 2 ATS. Each shot did 4 points of damage, and they still surrender after I kill 25 of them. So unless the code says otherwise, I don't think there is a weaponry requirement. It may have just been a coincidence that you always had hellbore cannons when they allied with you. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 03:36, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

	Ah... well, they say "A Human ship is a poor second to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought. Your weapons do not have the killing strength of an Ur-Quan fusion blast. SNORT! The Ur-Quan are still your betters.", which lead me to believe that there is a weapon requirement. It seems that there is not. Sorry.		Ah... well, they say "A Human ship is a poor second to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought. Your weapons do not have the killing strength of an Ur-Quan fusion blast. SNORT! The Ur-Quan are still your betters.", which lead me to believe that there is a weapon requirement. It seems that there is not. Sorry. [[User:Valaggar\|Valaggar]] 14:37, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Valaggar: /* Thraddash alliance */ reply

2007-05-16T12:36:21Z

Thraddash alliance: reply

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	Okay, so I just did it again - this time with just a single fusion blaster mounted in the rear and 2 ATS. Each shot did 4 points of damage, and they still surrender after I kill 25 of them. So unless the code says otherwise, I don't think there is a weaponry requirement. It may have just been a coincidence that you always had hellbore cannons when they allied with you. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 03:36, 16 May 2007 (CEST)		Okay, so I just did it again - this time with just a single fusion blaster mounted in the rear and 2 ATS. Each shot did 4 points of damage, and they still surrender after I kill 25 of them. So unless the code says otherwise, I don't think there is a weaponry requirement. It may have just been a coincidence that you always had hellbore cannons when they allied with you. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 03:36, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

			Ah... well, they say "A Human ship is a poor second to the Ur-Quan Dreadnought. Your weapons do not have the killing strength of an Ur-Quan fusion blast. SNORT! The Ur-Quan are still your betters.", which lead me to believe that there is a weapon requirement. It seems that there is not. Sorry.

Fyzixfighter: /* Thraddash alliance */ update

2007-05-16T01:36:59Z

Thraddash alliance: update

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	Um, I've never heard that you need a hellbore cannon (or any other weapon requirement) to get them ally with you. I've only ever heard that there is a certain number you have to kill. Is this something you've inferred based on gameplay, or based on the actual code. I did played it this morning quickly with only fusion blasters on the flagship and an ATS - though remember that the ATS does not increase the damage of single shot. I could redo this with a single fusion blaster in the front and back, thus pretty much ensuring that two blasts won't hit at the same time and cause more than 5 points of damage at once. Or, just get a flagship with no weapons, and defeat them escort ships. Of course the easiest solution would be for someone (more programming saavy than me) to check the code to see if it does a check on the flagship configuration along with a check on the kills-to-date when determining if the Thradds will start the whole "Admirable..." spiel. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 22:25, 15 May 2007 (CEST)		Um, I've never heard that you need a hellbore cannon (or any other weapon requirement) to get them ally with you. I've only ever heard that there is a certain number you have to kill. Is this something you've inferred based on gameplay, or based on the actual code. I did played it this morning quickly with only fusion blasters on the flagship and an ATS - though remember that the ATS does not increase the damage of single shot. I could redo this with a single fusion blaster in the front and back, thus pretty much ensuring that two blasts won't hit at the same time and cause more than 5 points of damage at once. Or, just get a flagship with no weapons, and defeat them escort ships. Of course the easiest solution would be for someone (more programming saavy than me) to check the code to see if it does a check on the flagship configuration along with a check on the kills-to-date when determining if the Thradds will start the whole "Admirable..." spiel. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 22:25, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

			Okay, so I just did it again - this time with just a single fusion blaster mounted in the rear and 2 ATS. Each shot did 4 points of damage, and they still surrender after I kill 25 of them. So unless the code says otherwise, I don't think there is a weaponry requirement. It may have just been a coincidence that you always had hellbore cannons when they allied with you. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 03:36, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Fyzixfighter: Thraddash alliance

2007-05-15T20:25:37Z

Thraddash alliance

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	:They start with the Druuge and then process all the species that have a sphere of influence, each time taking the one closest to the Kohr-Ah's last location. So the order may be different depending on when the SoIs are when the Kohr-Ah are close. After the last race with a SoI is cleansed, they head for earth. — [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 16:37, 9 October 2006 (CEST)		:They start with the Druuge and then process all the species that have a sphere of influence, each time taking the one closest to the Kohr-Ah's last location. So the order may be different depending on when the SoIs are when the Kohr-Ah are close. After the last race with a SoI is cleansed, they head for earth. — [[User:Svdb\|SvdB]] 16:37, 9 October 2006 (CEST)

			== Thraddash alliance ==

			Um, I've never heard that you need a hellbore cannon (or any other weapon requirement) to get them ally with you. I've only ever heard that there is a certain number you have to kill. Is this something you've inferred based on gameplay, or based on the actual code. I did played it this morning quickly with only fusion blasters on the flagship and an ATS - though remember that the ATS does not increase the damage of single shot. I could redo this with a single fusion blaster in the front and back, thus pretty much ensuring that two blasts won't hit at the same time and cause more than 5 points of damage at once. Or, just get a flagship with no weapons, and defeat them escort ships. Of course the easiest solution would be for someone (more programming saavy than me) to check the code to see if it does a check on the flagship configuration along with a check on the kills-to-date when determining if the Thradds will start the whole "Admirable..." spiel. --[[User:Fyzixfighter\|Fyzixfighter]] 22:25, 15 May 2007 (CEST)