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| − | Would it only take decades to reach nearby stars via Truespace? From what I know of modern science, it would take thousands of years to reach the closest star to us, Alpha Centauri. Then again, it takes us about a year to reach mars, whereas the vindicator closes the distance in seconds. | + | Would it only take decades to reach nearby stars via Truespace? From what I know of modern science, it would take thousands of years to reach the closest star to us, Alpha Centauri. Then again, it takes us about a year to reach mars, whereas the vindicator closes the distance in seconds. |
| − | I would chalk it up to sci-fi technology. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 20:42, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) | + | -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 20:08, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) |
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| + | I would chalk it up to sci-fi technology. | ||
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| + | -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 20:42, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) | ||
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I did some research, and it only takes nine months to get to mars on a Hohman Transfer Orbit (assuming you make the launch window, which occurs about every 2 <sup>1</sup>/<sub>2</sub> years). It takes the Vindicator around 15 seconds to reach mars on maximum thrust. It takes us about 21,772,800 seconds. I couldn't find the distance between earth at the start and mars at the end of such a transfer orbit, but I derived the average distance of mars from earth by averaging its minimum and maximum distances. Mars is, on average 228.5*10<sup>6</sup> km, ot 228.5 Gm (gigameters). I'll use a basic formula to figure their comparative rates, distance=rate*time. | I did some research, and it only takes nine months to get to mars on a Hohman Transfer Orbit (assuming you make the launch window, which occurs about every 2 <sup>1</sup>/<sub>2</sub> years). It takes the Vindicator around 15 seconds to reach mars on maximum thrust. It takes us about 21,772,800 seconds. I couldn't find the distance between earth at the start and mars at the end of such a transfer orbit, but I derived the average distance of mars from earth by averaging its minimum and maximum distances. Mars is, on average 228.5*10<sup>6</sup> km, ot 228.5 Gm (gigameters). I'll use a basic formula to figure their comparative rates, distance=rate*time. | ||
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Okay, got the rates. Now the hard part- shit. As it turns out, Proxima Centauri is slightly closer, but I'll use Alpha Centauri anyway. It's about 3.8x10<sup>16</sup> m away, or 380,000,000 Gm. I'll plug in my rough figures with the same distance formula. This doesn't take celestial motion into account, so it'll be way off, but it should give us an idea of how long it would take. We'll do the Vindicator first: 380,000,000 Gm = 15.23 Gm/s * t. That means it should take the vindicator about 24,950,755 seconds, or about ten months. One of our modern rockets would take 380,000,000 Gm = 0.00001 Gm/s * t, so 38,000,000,000,000 seconds or 1309 milennia. | Okay, got the rates. Now the hard part- shit. As it turns out, Proxima Centauri is slightly closer, but I'll use Alpha Centauri anyway. It's about 3.8x10<sup>16</sup> m away, or 380,000,000 Gm. I'll plug in my rough figures with the same distance formula. This doesn't take celestial motion into account, so it'll be way off, but it should give us an idea of how long it would take. We'll do the Vindicator first: 380,000,000 Gm = 15.23 Gm/s * t. That means it should take the vindicator about 24,950,755 seconds, or about ten months. One of our modern rockets would take 380,000,000 Gm = 0.00001 Gm/s * t, so 38,000,000,000,000 seconds or 1309 milennia. | ||
| − | Wow, I spent way too much time on that. Still, it answers my question. It would take the Vindicator at least ten months to reach the closest star via TrueSpace. -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 21:20, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) | + | Wow, I spent way too much time on that. Still, it answers my question. It would take the Vindicator at least ten months to reach the closest star via TrueSpace. |
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I think an assumption is being made here that is skewing the debate: that "real time" is the same as "game time". One "game day" is about 30 seconds of "real time", meaning a 15-second trip ends up taking 12 hours of "game time". That's still fast enough to be well into science-fiction territory, but your equations will need to be adjusted downward. | I think an assumption is being made here that is skewing the debate: that "real time" is the same as "game time". One "game day" is about 30 seconds of "real time", meaning a 15-second trip ends up taking 12 hours of "game time". That's still fast enough to be well into science-fiction territory, but your equations will need to be adjusted downward. | ||
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[[User:Nic|Nic]] 21:44, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) | [[User:Nic|Nic]] 21:44, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) | ||
| − | Oh, I forgot about that! Let me factor that in to the rate calculations. If you say 15 sec. of game time is 12 hours of real time, it would take the vindicator 43,200 seconds to reach mars. On that basis, 228.5 Gm = r * 43,200 sec so the vindicator travels at a rate of 0.0053 Gm/s. Now, to find out how long it would take to reach alpha centauri: 380,000,000 Gm = 0.0053 Gm/s * t - that's around 716981132078 seconds or over 24 milennia. That sounds closer to reality. -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 22:51, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST) | + | == Re: == |
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| + | Oh, I forgot about that! Let me factor that in to the rate calculations. If you say 15 sec. of game time is 12 hours of real time, it would take the vindicator 43,200 seconds to reach mars. On that basis, 228.5 Gm = r * 43,200 sec so the vindicator travels at a rate of 0.0053 Gm/s. Now, to find out how long it would take to reach alpha centauri: 380,000,000 Gm = 0.0053 Gm/s * t - that's around 716981132078 seconds or over 24 milennia. That sounds closer to reality. | ||
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Would it only take decades to reach nearby stars via Truespace? From what I know of modern science, it would take thousands of years to reach the closest star to us, Alpha Centauri. Then again, it takes us about a year to reach mars, whereas the vindicator closes the distance in seconds.
-Fadookie 20:08, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)
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I would chalk it up to sci-fi technology.
-- SvdB 20:42, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)
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I did some research, and it only takes nine months to get to mars on a Hohman Transfer Orbit (assuming you make the launch window, which occurs about every 2 1/2 years). It takes the Vindicator around 15 seconds to reach mars on maximum thrust. It takes us about 21,772,800 seconds. I couldn't find the distance between earth at the start and mars at the end of such a transfer orbit, but I derived the average distance of mars from earth by averaging its minimum and maximum distances. Mars is, on average 228.5*106 km, ot 228.5 Gm (gigameters). I'll use a basic formula to figure their comparative rates, distance=rate*time. So: 228.5 Gm = r * 15 sec. The TrueSpace rate of the vindicator is therefore about 15.23 Gm/S. I'll do the same caluclation for our current rockets. 228.5 Gm = r * 21,772,800 sec. Our current spacecraft move at the rate of about 0.00001 Gm/S.
Okay, got the rates. Now the hard part- shit. As it turns out, Proxima Centauri is slightly closer, but I'll use Alpha Centauri anyway. It's about 3.8x1016 m away, or 380,000,000 Gm. I'll plug in my rough figures with the same distance formula. This doesn't take celestial motion into account, so it'll be way off, but it should give us an idea of how long it would take. We'll do the Vindicator first: 380,000,000 Gm = 15.23 Gm/s * t. That means it should take the vindicator about 24,950,755 seconds, or about ten months. One of our modern rockets would take 380,000,000 Gm = 0.00001 Gm/s * t, so 38,000,000,000,000 seconds or 1309 milennia.
Wow, I spent way too much time on that. Still, it answers my question. It would take the Vindicator at least ten months to reach the closest star via TrueSpace.
-Fadookie 21:20, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)
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I think an assumption is being made here that is skewing the debate: that "real time" is the same as "game time". One "game day" is about 30 seconds of "real time", meaning a 15-second trip ends up taking 12 hours of "game time". That's still fast enough to be well into science-fiction territory, but your equations will need to be adjusted downward.
Nic 21:44, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)
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Oh, I forgot about that! Let me factor that in to the rate calculations. If you say 15 sec. of game time is 12 hours of real time, it would take the vindicator 43,200 seconds to reach mars. On that basis, 228.5 Gm = r * 43,200 sec so the vindicator travels at a rate of 0.0053 Gm/s. Now, to find out how long it would take to reach alpha centauri: 380,000,000 Gm = 0.0053 Gm/s * t - that's around 716981132078 seconds or over 24 milennia. That sounds closer to reality.
-Fadookie 22:51, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)
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"Closer to reality." Heh.
BTW, use the "+" button to reply rather than the "edit" button, it makes conversations much easier to follow.
Nic 23:04, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)