Talk:List of top mineral planets

This is extremely useful. Would it be possible to add a column with the planet types? It'd be nice to know whether a planet is a gemstone world, for cargo space consideration. --Elestan 05:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, what would be even more useful would be to have a single table containing every planet in the game, with the following sortable fields:

Cluster	System	X	Y	ΔSol	Enemies	Planet	Type	RUs	BioUnits	Risk	Weather	Tectonics	Temp	Fuel
Sol	Sol	175.2	145.0	0	No	Jupiter-A	Radioactive	1176	0	2	1	4	0	0.74
Sol	Sol	175.2	145.0	0	No	Mercury	Metals	1060	0	2	1	3	3	0.35

• ΔSol is the distance from Sol in Hyperspace units.
• Enemies is "Yes" if the planet's system is within Illwrath, Spathi, Thraddash, Mycon, Yehat, Kzer-Za, or Kohr-Ah space, otherwise "No".
• Risk is a number equal to the sum of the points greater than 2 in each of the three hazards.
• Temp is scaled into a 1-8 range to match the other two hazards. From a glance at the code, the surface hazard breakpoints for temperature are at <50,<100,<150,<250,<350,<550,<800, >=800. For reference, the orbital color breakpoints appear to be <-150, <-50, <50, <150, >=150.
• Fuel is the lander round-trip cost, equal to (PlanetDensity * PlanetRadius)/5000, with a max of 3.0. (this appears to be what the code uses)

For more bonus points, add a column for the total cargo size of the planet's RUs. --Elestan 07:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. I would personally prefer to keep the 'hostile territory' column and remove the 'race territory' column, but no qualms otherwise. You've got my vote of confidence. It would be nice if Zeracles and/or CyberSoul could take a look at your proposal, but I can't guarantee they'll be available anytime soon. --Shiver 15:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

For spoiler reasons, I presume? That works...I've changed the column to Enemies. --Elestan 17:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this new format is just about ready to go. Could you wait a few days for other admins to give their input if they so choose? --Shiver 23:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Certainly. I wasn't actually sure if I'd be doing it myself or offering this as a suggestion to CyberSoul. Do you know what program he's been using to extract the planet data? --Elestan 00:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice. I'd only suggest renaming the first column to constellation, with a link to List of constellations. --Zeracles 16:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

How about also adding a column to note the danger from life forms? Looking at the Table of bio types, I would suggest the following BioRisk values:

Name	Image	Type	Awareness	Value	Hit Points	Speed	Danger	BioRisk
Penguin Cyclops		Coward	High	15	2	Fast	Low	2
Chicken		Coward	Low	1	1	Fast	Low	2
Bug-Eyed Bait		Coward	High	4	2	Slow	Low	2
Splort Wort		Sessile	N/A	3	1	0	Low	3
Goo Burger		Sessile	N/A	8	5	0	Low	3
Whackin' Bush		Sessile	N/A	5	3	0	Moderate	3
Evil One		Sessile	N/A	1	1	0	EXTREME	3
Bubble Vine		Wanderer	N/A	6	2	Slow	Low	3
Glowing Medusa		Wanderer	N/A	3	8	Slow	Moderate	3
Blood Monkey		Wanderer	N/A	2	2	Med	Low	3
Amorphous Trandicula		Wanderer	N/A	9	12	Med	EXTREME	4
Deluxe Blob		Hunter	Low	2	2	Slow	Low	4
Carousel Beast		Hunter	Moderate	10	15	Slow	EXTREME	5
Mysterious Bees		Hunter	Moderate	3	3	Med	Low	5
Crazy Weasel		Hunter	High	3	1	Fast	Low	5
Yompin Yiminy		Hunter	High	4	6	Med	Moderate	6
Fungal Squid		Hunter	Low	7	8	Fast	Moderate	7
ZEX's Beauty		Hunter	High	15	15	Fast	EXTREME	8

Rationale:

• Anything not listed is Harmless (can't hurt you), and would be hazard level 1.
• Anything with the 'Coward' type is going to run from you, so you're unlikely to hit it even accidentally, thus hazard level 2.
• Anything with the 'Sessile' or 'Wanderer' type could hurt you if you accidentally run into it, thus hazard level 3.
  • The Amorphous Trandicula gets +1 because despite not being actively aggressive, it's fairly fast, hard to kill, and very damaging.
• Anything that's a 'Hunter' will deliberately attack you, making them far more dangerous; thus hazard level 5.
  • The Deluxe Blob gets -1 because it's slow, weak, and does little damage.
  • Yompin Yiminy gets +1 because it's fairly fast and hard to kill.
  • Fungal Squid gets +2 because it's really fast and even harder to kill.
  • Zex's Beauty gets +3 because it's just sick and wrong.

A planet would get the BioRisk value of the nastiest critter present.

That also looks excellent. I would personally go so far as to lower the Deluxe Blob's hazard level to 3 using the same rationale you did. The Crazy Weasel's value might be worth decreasing as well, but my memories of planet crawling with that critter involved are very hazy so I'm unsure. So far so good in any case. --Shiver 23:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to keep it at 4, just because it's actually trying to collide with the lander. Not real dangerous if you can see it coming and are undistracted, but I think that makes it more dangerous than say, the Bubble Vine, which has the same stats but moves randomly. Let's see if anyone else has an opinion. --Elestan 00:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I made another pass through this, to try to come up with good rules for assigning values algorithmically, rather than ad hoc. The rules I ended up with are:

• Harmless: Automatic 1 (no further modifiers)
• Coward: Automatic 2 (no further modifiers)
• Sessile/Wanderer: Base of 3
• Slow Hunter: Base of 4
• Moderate Hunter: Base of 5
• Fast Hunter: Base of 6
• Weak (HP 1-2): -1
• Strong (HP 6+): +1
• EXTREME Dmg: +1

And the resultant risk values are:

Name	Image	Type	Awareness	Value	Hit Points	Speed	Danger	BioRisk
Penguin Cyclops		Coward	High	15	2	Fast	Low	2
Chicken		Coward	Low	1	1	Fast	Low	2
Bug-Eyed Bait		Coward	High	4	2	Slow	Low	2
Splort Wort		Sessile	N/A	3	1	0	Low	2
Bubble Vine		Wanderer	N/A	6	2	Slow	Low	2
Blood Monkey		Wanderer	N/A	2	2	Med	Low	2
Goo Burger		Sessile	N/A	8	5	0	Low	3
Whackin' Bush		Sessile	N/A	5	3	0	Moderate	3
Evil One		Sessile	N/A	1	1	0	EXTREME	3
Deluxe Blob		Hunter	Low	2	2	Slow	Low	3
Glowing Medusa		Wanderer	N/A	3	8	Slow	Moderate	4
Amorphous Trandicula		Wanderer	N/A	9	12	Med	EXTREME	5
Mysterious Bees		Hunter	Moderate	3	3	Med	Low	5
Crazy Weasel		Hunter	High	3	1	Fast	Low	5
Carousel Beast		Hunter	Moderate	10	15	Slow	EXTREME	6
Yompin Yiminy		Hunter	High	4	6	Med	Moderate	6
Fungal Squid		Hunter	Low	7	8	Fast	Moderate	7
ZEX's Beauty		Hunter	High	15	15	Fast	EXTREME	8