https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Dreadnought - Revision history2024-03-29T14:56:02ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.7https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25889&oldid=prevFyzixfighter: Reverted edits by 207.164.63.120 (Talk) to last revision by Fyzixfighter2011-05-28T19:15:15Z<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/Special:Contributions/207.164.63.120" title="Special:Contributions/207.164.63.120">207.164.63.120</a> (<a href="/index.php?title=User_talk:207.164.63.120&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:207.164.63.120 (page does not exist)">Talk</a>) to last revision by <a href="/User:Fyzixfighter" title="User:Fyzixfighter">Fyzixfighter</a></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Great thinking! </del>That <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">rlealy breaks </del>the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">mold!</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"Ur-Quan fighter pilots are skilled in Gravity Whip maneuvers and use this to augment their already impressive speed." Not that I've noticed- Whenever I play they regularly crash into the planet and bounce off. It is possible that gravity accellerates them slightly (I haven't observed much of a change in speed) but they most certainly don't attempt gravity whips consciously like an Orz [[Space Marine]]. -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 22:22, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I agree -- the assertion is completely false. I can't find anything to back this up in the SC2 game manual, so I'm chucking it.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I haven't played in eight years. I suppose my memory is fallible. Fair enough. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 08:13, 10 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:No, the fully charged trader blast is stronger. By comparison, the Trader bolt deals 16 damage, but the Ur-Quan fusion bolt deals 6 damage. I'm not sure how much health the Trader bolts have, but the Fusion bolt has six health (or maybe it's 8 health), and I would guess that the Trader bolt has 16 health fully charged, give or take a few. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:</ins>That <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I knew, but it would be interesting at some point perhaps to spell out how these things work (by looking in the code I suppose). By the way JC, just a heads up that if you left UQMF to escape nerds, here might not be the best place to take refuge ;) --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 05:16, 13 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Weak against section==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the "Weak against" section, the Arilou Skiff is listed, but then it describes it as an easy match for the Dreadnought, even though the title clearly states that the Skiff is ''weak'' against the ships mentioned in the section. For now, I'm moving the material to the "Strong against" section, but I would like to discuss keeping it in a "weak against" section; I think a Dreadnought is in fact weak against a Skiff. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to one of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to agree on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info is for completeness, though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again for the cleanup, especially </ins>the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Fyzixfighterhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25876&oldid=prev207.164.63.120: AsUUGLXlQbZaODP2011-05-28T19:10:49Z<p>AsUUGLXlQbZaODP</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to one of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to agree on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info is for completeness, though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again for the cleanup, especially </del>the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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</table>207.164.63.120https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25860&oldid=prevFyzixfighter: Reverted edits by 212.239.62.133 (Talk) to last revision by Fyzixfighter2011-05-28T18:16:05Z<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/Special:Contributions/212.239.62.133" title="Special:Contributions/212.239.62.133">212.239.62.133</a> (<a href="/index.php?title=User_talk:212.239.62.133&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:212.239.62.133 (page does not exist)">Talk</a>) to last revision by <a href="/User:Fyzixfighter" title="User:Fyzixfighter">Fyzixfighter</a></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I agree -- the assertion is completely false. I can't find anything to back this up in the SC2 game manual, so I'm chucking it.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I haven't played in eight years. I suppose my memory is fallible. Fair enough. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 08:13, 10 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:No, the fully charged trader blast is stronger. By comparison, the Trader bolt deals 16 damage, but the Ur-Quan fusion bolt deals 6 damage. I'm not sure how much health the Trader bolts have, but the Fusion bolt has six health (or maybe it's 8 health), and I would guess that the Trader bolt has 16 health fully charged, give or take a few. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:EDIT:I tested it, and the fusion bolt was destroyed by the Trader bolt, which made it to the Dreadnought unscathed. Just thought I'd throw this in. (I know it's 3 years old, but I would hate to see confusion over this in the future.) --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:That I knew, but it would be interesting at some point perhaps to spell out how these things work (by looking in the code I suppose). By the way JC, just a heads up that if you left UQMF to escape nerds, here might not be the best place to take refuge ;) --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 05:16, 13 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Weak against section==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the "Weak against" section, the Arilou Skiff is listed, but then it describes it as an easy match for the Dreadnought, even though the title clearly states that the Skiff is ''weak'' against the ships mentioned in the section. For now, I'm moving the material to the "Strong against" section, but I would like to discuss keeping it in a "weak against" section; I think a Dreadnought is in fact weak against a Skiff. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to one of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Restoring some information ==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to </ins>agree <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info is for completeness, though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again for the cleanup, especially the tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:The Eterna-tech bit came off as fan-fiction to me so I mistakenly removed it. All of your recent changes look good to me. --[[User:Shiver|Shiver]] 00:12, 19 February 2009 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Fyzixfighterhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25859&oldid=prev212.239.62.133: lyjcBbuv2011-05-28T18:14:58Z<p>lyjcBbuv</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I haven't played in eight years. I suppose my memory is fallible. Fair enough. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 08:13, 10 Oct 2004 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:No, the fully charged trader blast is stronger. By comparison, the Trader bolt deals 16 damage, but the Ur-Quan fusion bolt deals 6 damage. I'm not sure how much health the Trader bolts have, but the Fusion bolt has six health (or maybe it's 8 health), and I would guess that the Trader bolt has 16 health fully charged, give or take a few. --Jaychant</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:EDIT:I tested it, and the fusion bolt was destroyed by the Trader bolt, which made it to the Dreadnought unscathed. Just thought I'd throw this in. (I know it's 3 years old, but I would hate to see confusion over this in the future.) --Jaychant</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:That I knew, but it would be interesting at some point perhaps to spell out how these things work (by looking in the code I suppose). By the way JC, just a heads up that if you left UQMF to escape nerds, here might not be the best place to take refuge ;) --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 05:16, 13 June 2008 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Weak against section==</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the "Weak against" section, the Arilou Skiff is listed, but then it describes it as an easy match for the Dreadnought, even though the title clearly states that the Skiff is ''weak'' against the ships mentioned in the section. For now, I'm moving the material to the "Strong against" section, but I would like to discuss keeping it in a "weak against" section; I think a Dreadnought is in fact weak against a Skiff. --Jaychant</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to one of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Restoring some information ==</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to </del>agree <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info is for completeness, though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again for the cleanup, especially the tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>That's <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">2 cvleer by half </del>and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">2x2 clever 4 </del>me. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks!</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"Ur-Quan fighter pilots are skilled in Gravity Whip maneuvers and use this to augment their already impressive speed." Not that I've noticed- Whenever I play they regularly crash into the planet and bounce off. It is possible that gravity accellerates them slightly (I haven't observed much of a change in speed) but they most certainly don't attempt gravity whips consciously like an Orz [[Space Marine]]. -[[User:Fadookie|Fadookie]] 22:22, 9 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I agree -- the assertion is completely false. I can't find anything to back this up in the SC2 game manual, so I'm chucking it.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Been a while ==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I haven't played in eight years. I suppose my memory is fallible. Fair enough. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 08:13, 10 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Melnorme Trader Bolt==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I've tested the rumour about the trader bolt and fusion blast. Bosth the fully charged bolt and the fusion blast are destroyed.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:No, the fully charged trader blast is stronger. By comparison, the Trader bolt deals 16 damage, but the Ur-Quan fusion bolt deals 6 damage. I'm not sure how much health the Trader bolts have, but the Fusion bolt has six health (or maybe it's 8 health), and I would guess that the Trader bolt has 16 health fully charged, give or take a few. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:EDIT:I tested it, and the fusion bolt was destroyed by the Trader bolt, which made it to the Dreadnought unscathed. Just thought I'd throw this in. (I know it's 3 years old, but I would hate to see confusion over this in the future.) --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:</ins>That <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I knew, but it would be interesting at some point perhaps to spell out how these things work (by looking in the code I suppose). By the way JC, just a heads up that if you left UQMF to escape nerds, here might not be the best place to take refuge ;) --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 05:16, 13 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Weak against section==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the "Weak against" section, the Arilou Skiff is listed, but then it describes it as an easy match for the Dreadnought, even though the title clearly states that the Skiff is ''weak'' against the ships mentioned in the section. For now, I'm moving the material to the "Strong against" section, but I would like to discuss keeping it in a "weak against" section; I think a Dreadnought is in fact weak against a Skiff. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to one of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there</ins>'s <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Restoring some information ==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to agree on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info is for completeness, though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) </ins>and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again for the cleanup, especially the tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Fyzixfighterhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25841&oldid=prev207.182.139.247: unkEolJDaN2011-05-28T17:47:55Z<p>unkEolJDaN</p>
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</table>80.228.85.107https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25836&oldid=prev94.199.178.30: wunwygjCSUWgmfaE2011-05-28T17:33:14Z<p>wunwygjCSUWgmfaE</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to one of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thanks <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna</del>-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to agree on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info is for completeness, though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From </del>my <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again for the cleanup, especially the tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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</table>94.199.178.30https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25772&oldid=prevFyzixfighter: Reverted edits by 202.129.58.68 (Talk) to last revision by Fyzixfighter2011-05-27T22:02:09Z<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/Special:Contributions/202.129.58.68" title="Special:Contributions/202.129.58.68">202.129.58.68</a> (<a href="/index.php?title=User_talk:202.129.58.68&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:202.129.58.68 (page does not exist)">Talk</a>) to last revision by <a href="/User:Fyzixfighter" title="User:Fyzixfighter">Fyzixfighter</a></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Been a while ==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I haven't played in eight years. I suppose my memory is fallible. Fair enough. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 08:13, 10 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Melnorme Trader Bolt==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I've tested the rumour about the trader bolt and fusion blast. Bosth the fully charged bolt and the fusion blast are destroyed.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:No, the fully charged trader blast is stronger. By comparison, the Trader bolt deals 16 damage, but the Ur-Quan fusion bolt deals 6 damage. I'm not sure how much health the Trader bolts have, but the Fusion bolt has six health (or maybe it's 8 health), and I would guess that the Trader bolt has 16 health fully charged, give or take a few. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:EDIT:I tested it, and the fusion bolt was destroyed by the Trader bolt, which made it to the Dreadnought unscathed. Just thought I'd throw this in. (</ins>I know <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">it's 3 years old, but I would hate to see confusion over this in the future.) --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:That I knew, but it would be interesting at some point perhaps to spell out how these things work (by looking in the code I suppose). By the way JC, just a heads up that if you left UQMF to escape nerds, here might not be the best place to take refuge ;) --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 05:16, 13 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==Weak against section==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the "Weak against" section, the Arilou Skiff is listed, but then it describes it as an easy match for the Dreadnought, even though the title clearly states that the Skiff is ''weak'' against the ships mentioned in the section. For now, I'm moving </ins>the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">material to the "Strong against" section, but I would like to discuss keeping it in a "weak against" section; I think a Dreadnought is in fact weak against a Skiff. --Jaychant</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to </ins>one <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Restoring some information ==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to agree on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info </ins>is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">for completeness</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again </ins>for <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the cleanup, especially the tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:The Eterna-tech bit came off as fan-fiction to me so I mistakenly removed it. All of </ins>your <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">recent changes look good to me</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">--[[User:Shiver|Shiver]] 00:12, 19 February 2009 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Fyzixfighterhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Talk:Dreadnought&diff=25768&oldid=prev202.129.58.68: Undo revision 22052 by 75.45.212.48 (Talk)2011-05-27T21:36:31Z<p>Undo revision 22052 by <a href="/Special:Contributions/75.45.212.48" title="Special:Contributions/75.45.212.48">75.45.212.48</a> (<a href="/index.php?title=User_talk:75.45.212.48&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:75.45.212.48 (page does not exist)">Talk</a>)</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the "Weak against" section, the Arilou Skiff is listed, but then it describes it as an easy match for the Dreadnought, even though the title clearly states that the Skiff is ''weak'' against the ships mentioned in the section. For now, I'm moving </del>the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">material to the "Strong against" section, but I would like to discuss keeping it in a "weak against" section; I think a Dreadnought is in fact weak against a Skiff. --Jaychant</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:According to </del>one <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">of the veterans, Shiver, the outcome of this match-up is strongly dependent on the respective tactics employed, but in general the Dreadnought should win. He says this in the [http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=3941.msg51561#msg51561 Skiff section] of his guide. I can see where you're coming from, the Skiff can be a serious pain (especially when AI-piloted), and actually if the Skiff plays to win or at least avoid losing, the Dreadnought won't catch it. But if there's going to be a result the Dreadnought would probably come out on top, for the reasons Shiver mentions. Cheers. --[[User:Zeracles|Zeracles]] 19:57, 11 June 2008 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thanks Shiver for cleaning up the article. I restored some information to the intro, specifically mention of the "eterna-tech" and the ability to destroy structures on a planets surface. I've also tried to make the single Ur-Quan onboard more definitive since both manuals seem to agree on this point. I also added in info on the roped/webbing ceilings which also appears in the manuals. The main reason I restored the info </del>is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">for completeness</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">though hopefully readability didn't suffer. If it did, perhaps some rephrasing or moving the info to another page, like [[Ur-Quan Kzer-Za]] may be in order. The only other changes that I made were relatively minor, changing the name of the weapon. From my scanning of the canon, most sources call the main weapon "fusion blaster" (I can't seem to find were the name fusion cannon came from) and the projectiles are called either fusion blasts or fusion bolts. Anyways, thanks again </del>for <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the cleanup, especially the tactical sections. --[[User:Fyzixfighter|Fyzixfighter]] 00:07, 19 February 2009 (CET)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:The Eterna-tech bit came off as fan-fiction to me so I mistakenly removed it. All of </del>your <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">recent changes look good to me</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">--[[User:Shiver|Shiver]] 00:12, 19 February 2009 (CET)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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