Talk:Stardock Systems Inc. v. Paul Reiche III and Robert Frederick Ford

Work together and stay neutral

Hey everyone. I posted some guidelines here to help keep us on track.

As much as possible, refer to reliable sources, with footnotes and citations. Evidence from the parties should be used carefully, with other statements from the parties used only to understand their public positions. Try to avoid any random fan theories. Obviously, we are fans. But we should focus on what the sources and the parties have said. We might sparingly cap off any section with a short summary and analysis, but ideally refer to a reliable source, and keep it within the range of disagreements provided by the parties themselves. Talk about what the parties have said carefully, and don't start promoting the theories of random fans.

If there's disagreement, assume good faith and discuss it here. Nobody here is superior, so long as they're editing in good faith and following the guidelines. Work together. Be constructive. Defer to the guidelines. See a criticism as an opportunity to improve this Q+A with better research and writing.

The community really needs this. There's a lot of misinformation out there and this will help clarify things. Pat (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2018 (CEST)

Community Q+A guidelines

Editor behavior

• Work together. Collaborate. Be constructive.
• Revert edits with reference to the guidelines. Defer to the guidelines. Change guidelines only with discussion.
• Where there is a dispute, discuss and come to a consensus. Assume good faith.
• Don't assume good faith if an editor repeatedly ignores guidelines.
• Bad faith editors are not welcome.

Verification in reliable sources

• All statements on this page should be verified in reliable sources, using footnote citations.
• The most reliable sources are statutes, neutral legal experts, and news outlets with editorial oversight and fact-checking
• Evidence submitted by the parties (Stardock, Paul Reiche III, and Fred Ford) is assumed to be reliable and accurate, under penalty of law.
• Public statements by the parties are only relevant and reliable for understanding how the dispute has been represented by the parties.
• Clearly distinguish between types of sources, for the sake of the readers.
• Third party forum posts, blogs, and opinion pieces are NOT reliable. In rare exceptions, they might be relevant as evidence of a legal issue. Use and mark them accordingly.
• Statements in the Q+A without reliable sources should be verified to reliable sources, or removed.

Neutrality

• Maintain a neutral point of view. Even if you have strong feelings, the Q+A should not. Let the reliable sources speak.
• Where there is potential bias, discuss the best way to maintain neutrality. Consider replacing with better sources, comparing the sources, adding a note, or removing altogether.
• Clearly note areas of disagreement, to distinguish them from widely agreed facts.
• Evidence and statements published by the parties (Stardock, Paul Reiche III, and Fred Ford) should be marked clearly and used with care.
• Speculation should be careful, clear, and limited. Refer to relevant outcomes described by the parties, with analysis from reliable sources as much as possible.

Readability

• Utilize internet archives to protect sources from being deleted or modified as the legal dispute continues.
• Use quotes and/or images to highlight areas under dispute.
• Don't overuse quotes and/or images where footnotes will do, particularly for issues not under dispute.
• Strive to be concise. Avoid redundancy.
• As this wiki stabilizes, we will move these guidelines to make the Q+A more readable.

What Are You Doing

What's going on here? It looks like you intend to document the legal dispute between Fred and Paul vs. Stardock, but with so many buzz phrases you come across somewhat inauthentic and untrustworthy. --Shiver (talk) 00:16, 5 April 2018 (CEST)

Let me second that question. @Pat - you really have no authority to define community guidelines (we already have some of those) on this wiki, especially when you only just joined the community and when you are not the creator of this wiki. Honestly, it almost looks like some kind of astroturfing campaign but I can't yet tell by whom (my gut says Stardock given some similarities with their website and the timing of this, but I'm open to being wrong). I'd rather not have an in-depth discussion about the current legal drama (especially given the astounding coincidence of the arrival of these new editors) - we can wait until the smoke clears and the dust settles. --Fyzixfighter (talk) 05:33, 5 April 2018 (CEST)

Hey there...it's on a user page, so it isn't part of the general wiki content; the "Community Guidelines" are just Pat's rules for their own userspace. Let's give this some time to develop and see what comes of it. --Elestan (talk) 08:41, 5 April 2018 (CEST)