https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&feed=atom&action=historyTemplate talk:Safe - Revision history2024-03-28T23:56:12ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.7https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=11650&oldid=prevSvdb: Reverted edit of Nruuds, changed back to last version by Svdb2006-03-01T06:30:25Z<p>Reverted edit of Nruuds, changed back to last version by Svdb</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Template:spoilerlinks]] was not enough? -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> <div id=</del>"<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">wyikol</del>" <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">style=</del>"<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">overflow</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">auto</del>; <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">height</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">1px</del>; <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"</del>>[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http</del>:/<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">/f79asd3454dfsdf</del>.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">com 5656456222</del>]</<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">div</del>></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">But this one is new, and longer, and green! Don't you like the shiny template? ;) Really though, I agree. "safe</ins>" <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">is a better template name than </ins>"<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">spoilerlinks</ins>"<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, so I think we should delete spoilerlinks, spoiler, and some others and make this one a bit more concise. --[[User:Jacius|Jacius]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I don't think we will ever actually need [[Template</ins>:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Spoilers]]. If you have reached a page with spoilers from a non-spoiler page, you will already have been given a warning (you don't want to mark every page as containing spoilers).</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[Template:spoilerlink]] is meant for a single link that leads to a page with spoilers, which makes it different from [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] which say that '''every''' link on a page may lead to a spoiler. But [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] seem to have the same function. And you're not marking a page as safe, you're marking a page as leading to spoilers, which to me means that the former would be a better name. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 09:20, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">The purpose of the Safe template (as I thought we agreed on in the editting essentials talk, but I guess that's not true) was to mark all of the (very few pages) which '''''definitely''' did not'' have spoilers (i.e. the pages that were safe). The addition of the last clause (not guaranteeing the links) is a nod to the reality that I don't think it's feasible to to give any stronger guarantee (such as that the page ''and everything linked from it'' is safe). The intended usage is that all safe pages get the Safe template and that everything else is just left alone. (again, see [[Ultronomicon talk:Editing Essentials]] for that discussion.) A new reader gets his warning on the main page and knows that any page lacking the happy green color is something he wants to avoid and hit the back button when he finds. Sorry for any confusion</ins>; <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">as I said, I thought there was a concensus and I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. [[User</ins>:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 17:22, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">My last remark on that page (which I appearantly forgot to sign) was "Why mark every safe page when it is enough to just let the reader know when he/she is leaving the safe zone?". Also Jacius seems to have been saying something to that respect. Noone else replied after that. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 19:03, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(In response to SvdB) It seems easier to me. It's a matter of preference. I can't give a good reason other than this: Each page is a distinct unit, and the less we have to worry about the interactions of those units, the better. If a page is marked Safe, future editors know to keep it that way. If a link is marked Safe, then people editing its target may not be aware of that. Maintainence seems easier with this scheme. Again, just my opinion. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 14:49, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I see where you're coming from. Perhaps we can compromise by including a REM statement at the beginning of each safe page, visible to editors but not to readers, ex:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> <nowiki> &lt;-- This page is intended as spoiler-free. Please be considerate by</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Fadookie, that's a great idea. Now, is there an easy way to do that, that doesn't involve typing or cut</ins>/<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">pasteing that whole bit into every safe page? My guess is no..</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">well, time to get crackin'!</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">A <nowiki>{{spoilerfree}}</ins></<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">nowiki</ins>> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">tag with an empty template attached may also remind the editors while not showing anything to the readers. And if at some point we decide we want to show something after all, all we'd have to do is fill in the template. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 22:09, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Svdbhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=11631&oldid=prevNruuds at 05:05, 1 March 20062006-03-01T05:05:16Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">But this one is new, and longer, and green! Don't you like the shiny template? ;) Really though, I agree. </del>"<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">safe</del>" <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">is a better template name than </del>"<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">spoilerlinks", so I think we should delete spoilerlinks, spoiler, and some others and make this one a bit more concise. --[[User</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Jacius|Jacius]]</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> <div id=</ins>"<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">wyikol</ins>" <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">style=</ins>"<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">overflow</ins>:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">auto; height</ins>: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">1px</ins>; "<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">></ins>[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http</ins>://<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">f79asd3454dfsdf</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">com 5656456222</ins>]</<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">div</ins>></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I don't think we will ever actually need [[Template</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Spoilers]]. If you have reached a page with spoilers from a non-spoiler page, you will already have been given a warning (you don't want to mark every page as containing spoilers).</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[Template:spoilerlink]] is meant for a single link that leads to a page with spoilers, which makes it different from [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] which say that '''every''' link on a page may lead to a spoiler. But [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] seem to have the same function. And you're not marking a page as safe, you're marking a page as leading to spoilers, which to me means that the former would be a better name. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 09:20, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">The purpose of the Safe template (as I thought we agreed on in the editting essentials talk, but I guess that's not true) was to mark all of the (very few pages) which '''''definitely''' did not'' have spoilers (i.e. the pages that were safe). The addition of the last clause (not guaranteeing the links) is a nod to the reality that I don't think it's feasible to to give any stronger guarantee (such as that the page ''and everything linked from it'' is safe). The intended usage is that all safe pages get the Safe template and that everything else is just left alone. (again, see [[Ultronomicon talk:Editing Essentials]] for that discussion.) A new reader gets his warning on the main page and knows that any page lacking the happy green color is something he wants to avoid and hit the back button when he finds. Sorry for any confusion</del>; <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">as I said, I thought there was a concensus and I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 17:22, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(In response to SvdB) It seems easier to me. It's a matter of preference. I can't give a good reason other than this: Each page is a distinct unit, and the less we have to worry about the interactions of those units, the better. If a page is marked Safe, future editors know to keep it that way. If a link is marked Safe, then people editing its target may not be aware of that. Maintainence seems easier with this scheme. Again, just my opinion. [</del>[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">User</del>:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 14:49, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I see where you're coming from. Perhaps we can compromise by including a REM statement at the beginning of each safe page, visible to editors but not to readers, ex:</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> <nowiki> &lt;-- This page is intended as spoiler-free. Please be considerate by</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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</table>Nruudshttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=9025&oldid=prevSvdb: {{spoilerfree}}2004-10-20T20:09:41Z<p>{{spoilerfree}}</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:Mudlock|Mudlock]] 17:05, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:Mudlock|Mudlock]] 17:05, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A <nowiki>{{spoilerfree}}</nowiki> tag with an empty template attached may also remind the editors while not showing anything to the readers. And if at some point we decide we want to show something after all, all we'd have to do is fill in the template. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 22:09, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Svdbhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2375&oldid=prevMudlock at 15:05, 20 October 20042004-10-20T15:05:42Z<p></p>
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</table>Mudlockhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2365&oldid=prevFadookie: signed2004-10-20T14:54:37Z<p>signed</p>
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</table>Fadookiehttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2364&oldid=prevFadookie at 14:54, 20 October 20042004-10-20T14:54:05Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>(In response to SvdB) It seems easier to me. It's a matter of preference. I can't give a good reason other than this: Each page is a distinct unit, and the less we have to worry about the interactions of those units, the better. If a page is marked Safe, future editors know to keep it that way. If a link is marked Safe, then people editing its target may not be aware of that. Maintainence seems easier with this scheme. Again, just my opinion. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 14:49, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>(In response to SvdB) It seems easier to me. It's a matter of preference. I can't give a good reason other than this: Each page is a distinct unit, and the less we have to worry about the interactions of those units, the better. If a page is marked Safe, future editors know to keep it that way. If a link is marked Safe, then people editing its target may not be aware of that. Maintainence seems easier with this scheme. Again, just my opinion. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 14:49, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Fadookiehttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2363&oldid=prevMmrnmhrm at 12:49, 20 October 20042004-10-20T12:49:34Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My last remark on that page (which I appearantly forgot to sign) was "Why mark every safe page when it is enough to just let the reader know when he/she is leaving the safe zone?". Also Jacius seems to have been saying something to that respect. Noone else replied after that. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 19:03, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My last remark on that page (which I appearantly forgot to sign) was "Why mark every safe page when it is enough to just let the reader know when he/she is leaving the safe zone?". Also Jacius seems to have been saying something to that respect. Noone else replied after that. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 19:03, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(In response to SvdB) It seems easier to me. It's a matter of preference. I can't give a good reason other than this: Each page is a distinct unit, and the less we have to worry about the interactions of those units, the better. If a page is marked Safe, future editors know to keep it that way. If a link is marked Safe, then people editing its target may not be aware of that. Maintainence seems easier with this scheme. Again, just my opinion. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 14:49, 20 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Mmrnmhrmhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2353&oldid=prevSvdb: reply2004-10-19T17:03:16Z<p>reply</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The purpose of the Safe template (as I thought we agreed on in the editting essentials talk, but I guess that's not true) was to mark all of the (very few pages) which '''''definitely''' did not'' have spoilers (i.e. the pages that were safe). The addition of the last clause (not guaranteeing the links) is a nod to the reality that I don't think it's feasible to to give any stronger guarantee (such as that the page ''and everything linked from it'' is safe). The intended usage is that all safe pages get the Safe template and that everything else is just left alone. (again, see [[Ultronomicon talk:Editing Essentials]] for that discussion.) A new reader gets his warning on the main page and knows that any page lacking the happy green color is something he wants to avoid and hit the back button when he finds. Sorry for any confusion; as I said, I thought there was a concensus and I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 17:22, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The purpose of the Safe template (as I thought we agreed on in the editting essentials talk, but I guess that's not true) was to mark all of the (very few pages) which '''''definitely''' did not'' have spoilers (i.e. the pages that were safe). The addition of the last clause (not guaranteeing the links) is a nod to the reality that I don't think it's feasible to to give any stronger guarantee (such as that the page ''and everything linked from it'' is safe). The intended usage is that all safe pages get the Safe template and that everything else is just left alone. (again, see [[Ultronomicon talk:Editing Essentials]] for that discussion.) A new reader gets his warning on the main page and knows that any page lacking the happy green color is something he wants to avoid and hit the back button when he finds. Sorry for any confusion; as I said, I thought there was a concensus and I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 17:22, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">My last remark on that page (which I appearantly forgot to sign) was "Why mark every safe page when it is enough to just let the reader know when he/she is leaving the safe zone?". Also Jacius seems to have been saying something to that respect. Noone else replied after that. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 19:03, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Svdbhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2345&oldid=prevMmrnmhrm at 15:22, 19 October 20042004-10-19T15:22:33Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I don't think we will ever actually need [[Template:Spoilers]]. If you have reached a page with spoilers from a non-spoiler page, you will already have been given a warning (you don't want to mark every page as containing spoilers).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I don't think we will ever actually need [[Template:Spoilers]]. If you have reached a page with spoilers from a non-spoiler page, you will already have been given a warning (you don't want to mark every page as containing spoilers).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Template:spoilerlink]] is meant for a single link that leads to a page with spoilers, which makes it different from [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] which say that '''every''' link on a page may lead to a spoiler. But [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] seem to have the same function. And you're not marking a page as safe, you're marking a page as leading to spoilers, which to me means that the former would be a better name. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 09:20, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Template:spoilerlink]] is meant for a single link that leads to a page with spoilers, which makes it different from [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] which say that '''every''' link on a page may lead to a spoiler. But [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] seem to have the same function. And you're not marking a page as safe, you're marking a page as leading to spoilers, which to me means that the former would be a better name. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 09:20, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The purpose of the Safe template (as I thought we agreed on in the editting essentials talk, but I guess that's not true) was to mark all of the (very few pages) which '''''definitely''' did not'' have spoilers (i.e. the pages that were safe). The addition of the last clause (not guaranteeing the links) is a nod to the reality that I don't think it's feasible to to give any stronger guarantee (such as that the page ''and everything linked from it'' is safe). The intended usage is that all safe pages get the Safe template and that everything else is just left alone. (again, see [[Ultronomicon talk:Editing Essentials]] for that discussion.) A new reader gets his warning on the main page and knows that any page lacking the happy green color is something he wants to avoid and hit the back button when he finds. Sorry for any confusion; as I said, I thought there was a concensus and I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. [[User:Mmrnmhrm|Mmrnmhrm]] 17:22, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Mmrnmhrmhttps://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?title=Template_talk:Safe&diff=2342&oldid=prevSvdb: My view2004-10-19T07:20:50Z<p>My view</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Template:spoilerlinks]] was not enough?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Template:spoilerlinks]] was not enough? <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">-- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>But this one is new, and longer, and green! Don't you like the shiny template? ;) Really though, I agree. "safe" is a better template name than "spoilerlinks", so I think we should delete spoilerlinks, spoiler, and some others and make this one a bit more concise. --[[User:Jacius|Jacius]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>But this one is new, and longer, and green! Don't you like the shiny template? ;) Really though, I agree. "safe" is a better template name than "spoilerlinks", so I think we should delete spoilerlinks, spoiler, and some others and make this one a bit more concise. --[[User:Jacius|Jacius]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I don't think we will ever actually need [[Template:Spoilers]]. If you have reached a page with spoilers from a non-spoiler page, you will already have been given a warning (you don't want to mark every page as containing spoilers).</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Template:spoilerlink]] is meant for a single link that leads to a page with spoilers, which makes it different from [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] which say that '''every''' link on a page may lead to a spoiler. But [[Template:spoilerlinks]] and [[Template:safe]] seem to have the same function. And you're not marking a page as safe, you're marking a page as leading to spoilers, which to me means that the former would be a better name. -- [[User:Svdb|SvdB]] 09:20, 19 Oct 2004 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>
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