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* Odd matches: Ships that might do the trick, but may just as well fail awfully. | * Odd matches: Ships that might do the trick, but may just as well fail awfully. | ||
* Stalemates: These are matches which will result in neither of the ships getting any hits in. Avoid these matches at all costs. | * Stalemates: These are matches which will result in neither of the ships getting any hits in. Avoid these matches at all costs. | ||
| − | * The definition of a counter is "A ship that can take out another, more expensive ship". Usually the difference in value is more than just a point or two, while in some cases it is considered that a more expensive ship is the de facto counter. | + | * The definition of a counter is "'''A ship that can take out another, more expensive ship'''". Usually the difference in value is more than just a point or two, while in some cases it is considered that a more expensive ship is the de facto counter. |
Note: If you think something belongs in this chart, please ask on #uqm-arena before doing your changes. | Note: If you think something belongs in this chart, please ask on #uqm-arena before doing your changes. | ||
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ship names, not race names. For instance, for the purposes of referring | ship names, not race names. For instance, for the purposes of referring | ||
to the ship icon, it's Dreadnought_icon.png, not Ur-Quan_icon.png | to the ship icon, it's Dreadnought_icon.png, not Ur-Quan_icon.png | ||
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| + | * You can add/cite footnotes by using {{note|<footnote number>}}''<footnote | ||
| + | text>'' for the footnote text and {{ref|<footnote number>}} where you want | ||
| + | to cite it. The links will be broken here because of an apparent bug | ||
| + | in the templates, but should work once copied into the main article space. | ||
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|align="center"|[[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | |align="center"|[[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | ||
|[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] [[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]]{{ref|1}} | |[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] [[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]]{{ref|1}} | ||
| − | |[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link= | + | |[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] |
|[[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] [[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | |[[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] [[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | ||
|- <!-- Arilou --> | |- <!-- Arilou --> | ||
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|- <!-- Druuge --> | |- <!-- Druuge --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] | |align="center"|[[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | + | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] [[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]]{{ref|5}} |
|- <!-- Earthling --> | |- <!-- Earthling --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | |align="center"|[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
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|align="center"|[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] | |align="center"|[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] | ||
|[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | |[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | ||
| − | |[[File: | + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] |
|- <!-- Kohr-Ah --> | |- <!-- Kohr-Ah --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Marauder_icon.png|link=Marauder]] | |align="center"|[[File:Marauder_icon.png|link=Marauder]] | ||
|[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | |[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] | + | |[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] [[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]] |
|- <!-- Melnorme --> | |- <!-- Melnorme --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] | |align="center"|[[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] | ||
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|- <!-- Mmrnmhrm --> | |- <!-- Mmrnmhrm --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] | |align="center"|[[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] | + | | |
| − | |[[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] | + | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] |
|[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]]{{ref|3}} | |[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]]{{ref|3}} | ||
|- <!-- Mycon --> | |- <!-- Mycon --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] | |align="center"|[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] [[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] [[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | + | |[[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] [[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] [[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] [[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] |
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|[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] | ||
|- <!-- Orz --> | |- <!-- Orz --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | |align="center"|[[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | ||
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|- <!-- Pkunk --> | |- <!-- Pkunk --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | |align="center"|[[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | ||
| − | |[[File: | + | |[[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] |
| − | + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] [[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | |
|- <!-- Shofixti --> | |- <!-- Shofixti --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | |align="center"|[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
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|align="center"|[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] | |align="center"|[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] | ||
|[[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]]{{ref|1}} | |[[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]]{{ref|1}} | ||
| − | |[[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] [[File: | + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] [[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] [[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]]{{ref|1}} |
|- <!-- Spathi --> | |- <!-- Spathi --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | |align="center"|[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | ||
|[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | ||
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|[[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] | |[[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] | ||
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|align="center"|[[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]]{{ref|4}} | |align="center"|[[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]]{{ref|4}} | ||
|[[File:Marauder_icon.png|link=Marauder]] | |[[File:Marauder_icon.png|link=Marauder]] | ||
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|- <!-- Umgah --> | |- <!-- Umgah --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | |align="center"|[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] [[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] |
|- <!-- Ur-Quan --> | |- <!-- Ur-Quan --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Dreadnought_icon.png|link=Dreadnought]] | |align="center"|[[File:Dreadnought_icon.png|link=Dreadnought]] | ||
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|- <!-- Utwig --> | |- <!-- Utwig --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | |align="center"|[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] [[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] | + | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] [[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] [[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] |
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|- <!-- Vux --> | |- <!-- Vux --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] | |align="center"|[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] | ||
|[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
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| + | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] | ||
|- <!-- Yehat --> | |- <!-- Yehat --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] | |align="center"|[[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] | ||
| − | |[[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File: | + | |[[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] |
| − | |[[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] | + | |[[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] [[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] |
| + | |[[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Zoq-Fot-Pik --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
| + | |} | ||
| + | |||
| + | == Shiver's Balance Mod == | ||
| + | [[User:Shiver/Balance_Mod|Shiver's Balance Mod]] attempts to balance UQM by changing ship costs, modifying some ship stats, and radically changing some of the more broken ships. There are [[User:Shiver/Balance_Mod/List_of_Changes|quite a few changes]] to the ships. The net result is that gameplay is more balanced, with a few designated hard counters. Capital ships are good against most ships, and have one hard counter. | ||
| + | |||
| + | {|class="wikitable" border="1" style="background-color:#545454;" | ||
| + | !Ship!!Hard Counters!!Soft Counters!!Odd Matches!!Stalemates | ||
| + | |- <!-- Androsynth --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] [[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Arilou --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] [[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] [[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Chenjesu --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Broodhome_icon.png|link=Broodhome]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | ||
| + | |[[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] [[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Marauder_icon.png|link=Marauder]] [[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Dreadnought_icon.png|link=Dreadnought]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Chmmr --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] [[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]]{{ref|2}} | ||
| + | |- <!-- Druuge --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] [[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] [[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Earthling --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] [[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] [[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Ilwrath --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Avenger_icon.png|link=Avenger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | ||
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| + | |[[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Kohr-Ah --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Marauder_icon.png|link=Marauder]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] [[File:Avatar_icon.png|link=Avatar]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Melnorme --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Skiff_icon.png|link=Skiff]] [[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] [[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Mmrnmhrm --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] [[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]] [[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Mycon --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Orz --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Guardian_icon.png|link=Guardian]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] [[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]]{{ref|2}} | ||
| + | |||
| + | |- <!-- Pkunk --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] [[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Shofixti --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Slylandro --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] | ||
|[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | |[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]]{{ref|2}} [[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Spathi --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Eluder_icon.png|link=Eluder]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Supox --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]]{{ref|2}} [[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] [[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]] [[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Syreen --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]]{{ref|2}} [[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Thraddash --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Torch_icon.png|link=Torch]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Umgah --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Drone_icon.png|link=Drone]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Scout_icon.png|link=Scout]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Ur-Quan --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Dreadnought_icon.png|link=Dreadnought]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Nemesis_icon.png|link=Nemesis]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] [[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Broodhome_icon.png|link=Broodhome]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Utwig --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Jugger_icon.png|link=Jugger]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] [[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] [[File:X-Form_icon.png|link=X-Form]] [[File:Trader_icon.png|link=Trader]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Vux --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Cruiser_icon.png|link=Cruiser]] [[File:Podship_icon.png|link=Podship]] [[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Penetrator_icon.png|link=Penetrator]] | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] | ||
| + | |- <!-- Yehat --> | ||
| + | |align="center"|[[File:Terminator_icon.png|link=Terminator]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Intruder_icon.png|link=Intruder]] [[File:Mauler_icon.png|link=Mauler]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Blade_icon.png|link=Blade]] | ||
| + | |[[File:Probe_icon.png|link=Probe]] [[File:Fury_icon.png|link=Fury]] | ||
|- <!-- Zoq-Fot-Pik --> | |- <!-- Zoq-Fot-Pik --> | ||
|align="center"|[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] | |align="center"|[[File:Stinger_icon.png|link=Stinger]] | ||
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{{note|2}}''This ship is not necessarily sufficient by itself, but can do enough damage to soften up the enemy before another ship.'' | {{note|2}}''This ship is not necessarily sufficient by itself, but can do enough damage to soften up the enemy before another ship.'' | ||
{{note|3}}''Slylandro is a ship which is as powerful as its pilot is. At times Mmrnmhrm can defeat Slylandro without taking much damage, but a skilled Slylandro pilot can avoid all Mmrnmhrm fire'' | {{note|3}}''Slylandro is a ship which is as powerful as its pilot is. At times Mmrnmhrm can defeat Slylandro without taking much damage, but a skilled Slylandro pilot can avoid all Mmrnmhrm fire'' | ||
| − | {{note|4}}''Thraddash Torch is usually banned in competitive Supermelee as the ship is broken beyond repair'' | + | {{note|4}}''The vanilla Thraddash Torch is usually banned in competitive Supermelee as the ship is broken beyond repair'' |
| − | + | {{note|5}}''While this ship is too overpriced to recommend in vanilla UQM, this is a good use if you must have it'' | |
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Revision as of 04:21, 4 November 2013
This page contains a table for ship countering in Player vs. Player Supermelee games. The table is read as follows:
- Left-most cell: The ship for which counters are listed
- Hard counter: Ships that are almost certain to destroy the ship
- Soft counter: Ships that might destroy the ship, but usually require that the ship is either damaged before hand or some luck is involved.
- Odd matches: Ships that might do the trick, but may just as well fail awfully.
- Stalemates: These are matches which will result in neither of the ships getting any hits in. Avoid these matches at all costs.
- The definition of a counter is "A ship that can take out another, more expensive ship". Usually the difference in value is more than just a point or two, while in some cases it is considered that a more expensive ship is the de facto counter.
Note: If you think something belongs in this chart, please ask on #uqm-arena before doing your changes.
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- 1While this is not a true counter price-wise, it is necessary to use overwhelming force to reliably take some ships down.
- 2This ship is not necessarily sufficient by itself, but can do enough damage to soften up the enemy before another ship.
- 3Slylandro is a ship which is as powerful as its pilot is. At times Mmrnmhrm can defeat Slylandro without taking much damage, but a skilled Slylandro pilot can avoid all Mmrnmhrm fire
- 4The vanilla Thraddash Torch is usually banned in competitive Supermelee as the ship is broken beyond repair
- 5While this ship is too overpriced to recommend in vanilla UQM, this is a good use if you must have it